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Watto storms out of India

JW

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Yep. Here's a novel idea for Arthur and Captain Pup. Stand down the ones who are shit at Cricket (or at least keep the ones who are the least shit). Real pioneering stuff, that.
 

JJ

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I hate to ask, but WTF is the world's greatest cricketing nation (historically anyway) doing with a geniused, apparently militant Seth Effrikan in charge...

Would the All Blacks have have a Seth Effrikan as coach?? Nope...

Then you have a 6-test numpty as chair of selectors and two narcisists as captain and vice captain...

Recipe for success fellas :)

Good to see dress codes, back chat and homework is in order, when Arthur's sacked, there will be a few schoolboy teams looking for him
 
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Red Bear

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To be honest the missing physio appointments etc is poor form. The side was obviously becoming pretty slack. So they put their foot down, making an example of four players, one in a leadership position (whereby he's shown no leadership). Three players have managed to cop it on the chin, one has blown up somewhat.

Attitudes slackening in a side that is a long way off what it should be is a poor sign in any respect and putting your foot down now may be the wake up call certain players need.

Re Warney - he got dropped in the Windies when in poor form, poor attitude, managed to come back from that.
 

madunit

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What we're seeing here in my view, is that players today don't have the same respect for their position in the test side. They've become comfortable.

Consequently, attitudes, behaviours, effort etc has dropped off substantially.

So to counter that, its been decided to create a very strict set of guidelines for players to abide by to get them to respect their position in the team and to work harder to maintain it.

Sure its all pissy stuff (right attire etc) but sometimes it's the sort of shit that needs to habit to break a lazy and disrespectful culture.

For me the bigger picture here is that now, no player is safe from being disciplined. To me this is a good thing, shape up or go and get f**ked.
 

AlwaysGreen

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I have no issue with players getting fined or told off for not wearing the right clothing to work. It happens in every other profession and job so why not these guys, especially when everything is supplied to them.
 

vvvrulz

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I have no issue with players getting fined or told off for not wearing the right clothing to work. It happens in every other profession and job so why not these guys, especially when everything is supplied to them.

Makes you wonder though what all this carry on is about "correct attire". I can understand someone turning up in shorts and jandals on the morning of a test match getting in trouble, but it seems over the top to expect a uniform code outside of the cricket pitch, after all they probably are mostly in hotel rooms.
 

aqua_duck

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Yep. Here's a novel idea for Arthur and Captain Pup. Stand down the ones who are shit at Cricket (or at least keep the ones who are the least shit). Real pioneering stuff, that.

John Inververity would definitely veto that idea
 

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Canard

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Arthurs has certainly made sure the focus is on the "players" after recent results.

He has escaped almost any criticism from the media after the 2nd test due to this blow up.
 

Horrie Is God

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cricket/manager-has-no-sympathy-for-khawaja-over-his-suspension-from-the-australian-cricket-team/story-e6frepmo-1226595355299

Manager says Usman will bounce back..

Leigh van den Broeke The Daily Telegraph March 12, 2013 9:21AM

USMAN Khawaja's manager says the Australian batsman will learn from his punishment and return a better player for it.

In a radio interview this monring Daniel Zammit said cricket on a whole needs to follow the professionalism displayed in the NRL and AFL.

"Cricket is still stuck in the 1960s," Mr Zammit said on 2GB. "I dare a young rugby league player to say `I forgot' (to do my homework). Hell and damnation would come down on their heads."

"(But) cricket is different, you're pushing against the ocean. (Professional cricketers) have been taught from a very young age they are special.

“We shouldn’t be surprised by what happened in India, cricket has considered itself separate to other sports...For Mickey Arthur who is a very strong coach this is the straw that broke the camel’s back."

"The entire cricket universe is soft in the belly compared to other sports."

Zammit used the example of South Sydney coach Michael Maguire disciplining Nathan Merritt for being late to training.

Merritt returned the following week to score three tries in Rabbitohs round one defeat of the Roosters after being disciplined.

"Maguire dumped Nathan Merritt from South Sydney training for being 15 minutes late, in fact the players dumped him before the coach had even heard about it.

Zammit believes this is the type hardnosed structure that should apply in the Australian cricket team.
 

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Arthurs has certainly made sure the focus is on the "players" after recent results.

He has escaped almost any criticism from the media after the 2nd test due to this blow up.

he's copping it deluxe now
 

Sphagnum

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I hate to ask, but WTF is the world's greatest cricketing nation (historically anyway) doing with a geniused, apparently militant Seth Effrikan in charge...

Would the All Blacks have have a Seth Effrikan as coach?? Nope...

Then you have a 6-test numpty as chair of selectors and two narcisists as captain and vice captain...

Recipe for success fellas :)

Good to see dress codes, back chat and homework is in order, when Arthur's sacked, there will be a few schoolboy teams looking for him

Saffa in charge of the cricket
Some Mediterranean Descendant in charge of the soccer
Kiwi in charge of the Wallabies

The administration of these sports is f**ken pathetic in this country.

And everyone complains about the NRL. At least they don't put some dickhead from our arch enemies in charge of the national team.

No wonder we're f**ken shit.
 

Hooch

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This was two things:

1. An opportunity for a weak and under pressure leadership to try and demonstrate it's authority - but only demonstrating their lack of starch.

2. An opportunity to punt Watson from the leadership group.

Pretty gutless way of going about, but I'm not about to stick up for Watson.

If he had any sack he would've marched straight up to Clarke and Arthur and said 'do you want me as vice-captain or not?'. If the prevaricated do what they don't have the balls to do and resign.
 

Horrie Is God

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/624716.html

Where to for Watson?..

Shane Watson is Australia's vice-captain but he needs to lift his game off the field and on it

Brydon Coverdale March 12, 2013

The so-called homework task set by Mickey Arthur last week required a great amount of reflection from Australia's players on the way they and the team were performing. Few members of the squad had as much cause for self-assessment as Shane Watson. That is even more so now, after his axing from the side and subsequent departure from the tour. Put simply, Watson needs to lift his game both off the field and on it. He is the vice-captain, but whether he remains so is yet to be seen.

It must be said that the severe penalties handed out to Watson and three other players were not solely the result of failing to complete Arthur's task. Throughout the tour the attitude from the wider playing group has been lax. Players have missed appointments with the team physio, arrived late for team meetings, worn the wrong uniforms - there have been all manner of minor infractions that built up to the team management saying "no more".

But that is all the more reason for the vice-captain to help lead a young side by example. He should have been proactive. He should have been doing everything in his power to help the side lift. If part of that was coming up with ways he and the team could improve, he should have been brimming with ideas. Michael Clarke didn't forget about the task or misunderstand when it was to be completed.

In the past year the Test team has lost three senior men: Ricky Ponting, Michael Hussey and Brad Haddin. That leaves Clarke with an enormous burden and there is a feeling that Watson has not helped him carry it adequately. Perhaps in the homework task he could have highlighted his leadership as an area for improvement. Perhaps not completing the task in an embarrassing week for the team said it all.

After the players were informed of their fate, Watson flew home to Australia to be with his pregnant wife. There is no problem there. But when asked by journalists to comment on the penalty, Watson could have accepted the decision with grace and conceded that he had erred. He could have said Test cricket remained his priority. Instead he called it a "very harsh" punishment and said he would weigh up his future at home. They were not the words of a leader of men.

Watson's relationship with Michael Clarke has never been strong. They are not enemies, but nor are they close confidants. On Tuesday, Pat Howard, Cricket Australia's team performance manager, alluded to "issues" between Clarke and Watson. Upon arriving home in Sydney, Watson said things were "going really well" between himself and Clarke at the moment. His comments in Chandigarh won't have helped that.

If Watson wants to weigh up his future, he would do well to consider his past. And here is a fact that should jolt him: in the past two years, Rob Quiney is the only top-six batsman with a worse Test batting average for Australia. In that time - which corresponds with Watson becoming vice-captain - he has played 13 Tests and averaged 25.20 with the bat. He's made four half-centuries in 24 innings. No hundreds.

Consider some of the players with better batting averages than Watson in that two-year period: Shaun Marsh, Usman Khawaja, Ed Cowan, even James Pattinson. It might seem disingenuous to look only at his batting, for Watson has also collected 19 wickets in that time. But his primary role in the side is as a top-order run scorer. On that alone he is failing to deliver. Watson's experience is valuable but he is not an indispensable member of the team.


It could be argued that Watson's struggles have also coincided with his move down the order. The only two centuries in his 40-Test career came as an opener. But in his time as vice-captain and opener, he scored 192 runs at 20.22 on tours of Sri Lanka and South Africa. A calf injury then ruled him out of the 2011-12 home summer and allowed Cowan and David Warner to settle in as a consistent opening pair.

By the time Watson returned for the next tour of the West Indies, the opening spots were taken and he had to make do at No. 3. His slide down the order continued to No.4 when Phillip Hughes rejoined the side at first drop after Ricky Ponting's retirement. And the lack of runs that began when he was still opening continued. He had looked in reasonable touch in the first two Tests in India but could not survive for an hour in any one of his four innings.

The Mohali Test might have provided some relief for Watson, for it was at this venue, two and a half years ago, that he scored his last Test hundred. Now he won't get the chance to reprise it. Instead, he will be at home, waiting for the birth of his first child. And thinking about his cricketing past and future. He will look back at a disappointing Indian tour, and at an as-yet unfulfilled Test career.

His injury-prone body has not helped. Since his Test debut, he has missed 51 of a possible 91 Tests, the majority through injuries. For now, he has given up bowling in an effort to stay fit, but he has never shown any inclination to give his body a rest by reducing his non-Test commitments, the IPL for example. Chances are he won't be back in India for the fourth Test, but will be for the IPL that follows.

After that, who knows? But if Watson didn't have time for reflection last week, he certainly does now.
 

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he's copping it deluxe now

He is painting himself as this hardcore revolutionary that is changing the side for the greater good.

I would argue that he has been as much of the problem as anyone since his appointment.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t-it-all-laid-on/story-fnb58rpk-1226595922284
Yet that Watson was among the do-nothings is not remotely surprising. Probably more coaching and management resources have been poured into him than any cricketer of his generation - for the dividend of two centuries in 40 Tests.
He is a handsome player of abundant talent. He is also wealthy, pampered, immature and self-involved. That's what a life in modern professional sport can make of you.
In his favour, Watson is not lazy. Indeed, Arthur went out of his way to praise the vice-captain's work ethic: "Shane Watson prepares well. He's very professional and he goes about his business in a very professional way." But only "his business"; nobody else's.
Go Gideon!
 
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