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NSW Team 2017

Pedge1971

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Several years away but young Brailey looks like the guy who will play 10 years in a blues jersey. Everyone else is just minding it for him.

Amazing temperament for an 18 yo.
 

MKCS

Juniors
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I don't mind the NSW team, I don't like Morris being selected but I understand why he's there, he's pretty safe, has worked with Hayne before (World Cup) and whilst he might not win us a game he also won't cost us one.

Peats I like, Farah isn't good enough and has cost us games in the past. Peats just needs to tackle well, deliver the ball to Maloney and Pearce and make a few metres from dummy half when need be. Doesn't need to play hero like Farah tried to do.

I think since Bird is in the team I would have swapped Frizell to the bench and put Graham at 13. There really is no point in having 2 utilities on the bench and a bench of Klemmer, Jake T, Frizell and Bird seems a lot more impactful than what is currently available.

Will be a cracker of a game, looking forward to it.
 

RazorRam0n

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He was talking about playing in the position himself? It seems pretty much a done deal.

you don't expect a specialist utility to spend some time coming out of dummy half? especially with a intensive defensive 9 like peats who's known to need a shift at 70 minutes?

the bigger story here is why the f**k bird hasn't already trained there given the impact he makes. peachey the other utility option plays 9 regularly as required
 

OldPanther

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you don't expect a specialist utility to spend some time coming out of dummy half? especially with a intensive defensive 9 like peats who's known to need a shift at 70 minutes?

the bigger story here is why the f**k bird hasn't already trained there given the impact he makes. peachey the other utility option plays 9 regularly as required

With luck they have him doing it regularly in the blues camp. I don't mind if they use him like that. I'm more worried that, like you said, he's never done it.
 

big hit!

Bench
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it would be negligent of Daley not to go into the match without a contingency at #9. It's Peats' first origin match, hookers defend in the middle.third, and the intensity will be like nothing he's had to deal with at club level. There may very well be a period towards the end of the first half, or mid-second half where Peats could use a breather. Furthermore, if the worst were to happen and he cops an injury and can't complete the game, NSW will need someone to slot in. In both cases, using a player who has already taken reps at training to develop familiarity with the forwards and halves is a smart move.

Thing with Bird too is it won't necessarily be a wasted interchange because he can stay on the field and fill in on the right-side for Jackson if Peats comes back on. And as right centre is his main position at Cronulla, he will also cover the most injury prone player NSW have got.

It really is no different to what Morgan will be doing with QLD.

The problem with NSW that I see is squad balance. There are only two recognised players on the bench to fill in the middle rotation - JTrob and Klemmer. With Bird already in the squad and tasked with the important duty of covering #9 and other positions, Graham is really a wasted selection......unless Daley sees his value in the middle too. Not sure he's spent much time for Cronulla there. For me Graham starts or doesn't make it. Sure he seems like a better player than others who may get the gig, but he stars as a left-side forward, a position that players generally play 80'.
 

big hit!

Bench
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When Graham comes on I think Jackson shifts to the middle or comes off.
Bird's the right side player on the bench.

Graham is a leftie and replaces Cordner on the edge if he's used in that capacity. Otherwise, he'll be used some other way. Possibly in the middle, but I can't tell how much of an impact he'll have in the rotation.
 

OldPanther

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it would be negligent of Daley not to go into the match without a contingency at #9. It's Peats' first origin match, hookers defend in the middle.third, and the intensity will be like nothing he's had to deal with at club level. There may very well be a period towards the end of the first half, or mid-second half where Peats could use a breather. Furthermore, if the worst were to happen and he cops an injury and can't complete the game, NSW will need someone to slot in. In both cases, using a player who has already taken reps at training to develop familiarity with the forwards and halves is a smart move.

Thing with Bird too is it won't necessarily be a wasted interchange because he can stay on the field and fill in on the right-side for Jackson if Peats comes back on. And as right centre is his main position at Cronulla, he will also cover the most injury prone player NSW have got.

It really is no different to what Morgan will be doing with QLD.

The problem with NSW that I see is squad balance. There are only two recognised players on the bench to fill in the middle rotation - JTrob and Klemmer. With Bird already in the squad and tasked with the important duty of covering #9 and other positions, Graham is really a wasted selection......unless Daley sees his value in the middle too. Not sure he's spent much time for Cronulla there. For me Graham starts or doesn't make it. Sure he seems like a better player than others who may get the gig, but he stars as a left-side forward, a position that players generally play 80'.

You're not the only one worried about this. I'd prefer another prop. This is how a Vaughan type could be put to good use.
 

Caped Crusader

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Friz is also a left fwd at club level but weve seen him used in the middle and the right at rep level

Squad balance isnt an issue when youve got talented blokes like Graham etc in the side, theyll play anywhere and do a job.

NSW need to pick their best players, regardless of position.
 

big hit!

Bench
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That's what NSW have done.....that's why they haven't got a specialist centre and they picked Pearce, and they picked Graham. In contrast, Walters has selected based on position when you consider they left Slater out, and he selected Milford to start because he's predominantly a left side player (where Thurston plays for NQ, QLD & Aus) whereas Morgan is right side (where Cronk plays for Melbourne, QLD & Aus).

Friz plays on the right for St George btw. Even though he's been given the No.13 jersey, the talk is he'll be moved onto the right to target Milford, and Jackson will be starting in the middle. IMO, it means they'll be playing one man down in the middle with the ball because Jackson has no impact in that role whatsoever. Will tackle his heart out though. In addition to giving Graham the role there too, NSW might lose their supposed trench superiority if they play two predominantly edge forwards in the middle rotation.
 

OldPanther

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That's what NSW have done.....that's why they haven't got a specialist centre and they picked Pearce, and they picked Graham. In contrast, Walters has selected based on position when you consider they left Slater out, and he selected Milford to start because he's predominantly a left side player (where Thurston plays for NQ, QLD & Aus) whereas Morgan is right side (where Cronk plays for Melbourne, QLD & Aus).

Friz plays on the right for St George btw. Even though he's been given the No.13 jersey, the talk is he'll be moved onto the right to target Milford, and Jackson will be starting in the middle. IMO, it means they'll be playing one man down in the middle with the ball because Jackson has no impact in that role whatsoever. Will tackle his heart out though. In addition to giving Graham the role there too, NSW might lose their supposed trench superiority if they play two predominantly edge forwards in the middle rotation.

In my opinion the description of what Walters is the smarter option and NSW should try more of it. Get the best for that position.
 

Caped Crusader

Juniors
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I dont agree. If we are leaving out the best players just because they dont conform to the correct "side" of the field then that is plain stupid
 

Clifferd

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I have a good feeling about Wednesday night

Possibly the weakest QLD line up we've seen in 10 years vs the strongest nsw team in 10 years

Only advantage qld have is it's in Brisbane.

Despite a couple weird selections for us it's still a killer team

If we can't win this we deserve to be decapitated
 

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