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1st Test: South Africa v India at Capetown Jan 5-9 2018

ANTiLAG

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If im sitting in the electric chair waiting for the pardon to come through, i want lagmeister reading out my last rites. Bloke can churn out some sizeable essays.

Are you really sure your life is worthy of a thesis or dissertation though or more of a one - liner?

As a reasonable and passionate cricket fan, I may possibly value cricket pitch discussion more than your last rights. No offence. You're merely discussing your own life in the face of death. I'm talking about cricket. I guess to be certain, when you're facing your last rights, is there a game on, where, and who's playing?
 
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Bazal

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So you really think that you have only discussed one concept above, and that its simple?

Use short sentences in your reply. It helps to add clarity.

I think you'll find you've simply misread a perfectly clear post.

Anyway, forgive me if I'll not be lectured on clarity by someone who wrote the abject, migraine inducing mess you posted a few posts previous. It's absolutely no skin off my nose if you don't understand simple English and I'm not on a cricket forum to teach syntax.
 

ANTiLAG

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I think you'll find you've simply misread a perfectly clear post.

Anyway, forgive me if I'll not be lectured on clarity by someone who wrote the abject, migraine inducing mess you posted a few posts previous. It's absolutely no skin off my nose if you don't understand simple English and I'm not on a cricket forum to teach syntax.

Well if that's your attitude, which I find rather rude, please don't attempt to talk me in your attempted version of proper English again.
 

ANTiLAG

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Haha

Quoted for posterity.

I'll assume this time that you're talking to the masses and not me. Else I'd have to ask which part of "please don't attempt to talk me in your attempted version of proper English again" you didn't understand?
 

Bazal

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I'll assume this time that you're talking to the masses and not me. Else I'd have to ask which part of "please don't attempt to talk me in your attempted version of proper English again" you didn't understand?

Well, technically, if I wanted to further this little meltdown of yours, I could for instance say that I'm not attempting to talk to you and am in fact actually talking to you. Albeit in written fashion.

I could also say that you only forbade me from attempting to speak to you in an attempted version of proper English; thus, if I speak to you in proper English, you have yet to forbid that.

Or I could say get over yourself, because you clearly don't know as much as you think you do. It's a forum, princess. Don't like people challenging what you post? Stop posting it!
 

ANTiLAG

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Well, technically, if I wanted to further this little meltdown of yours, I could for instance say that I'm not attempting to talk to you and am in fact actually talking to you. Albeit in written fashion.

I could also say that you only forbade me from attempting to speak to you in an attempted version of proper English; thus, if I speak to you in proper English, you have yet to forbid that.

Or I could say get over yourself, because you clearly don't know as much as you think you do. It's a forum, princess. Don't like people challenging what you post? Stop posting it!

So exactly what part of "please don't attempt to talk me in your attempted [this includes any miraculously successful attempts] version of proper English again" did you not understand?
 

Bazal

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So exactly what part of "please don't attempt to talk me in your attempted version of proper English again" did you not understand?

The part where you assumed I gave a shit, most likely.

What on Earth makes you think that I would care what you want me to do? That's a rather arrogant assumption. Much like your assumption that the mess you wrote earlier in any way constitutes a more "proper English" than the rest of us.

It's very amusing
 

ANTiLAG

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The part where you assumed I gave a shit, most likely.

What on Earth makes you think that I would care what you want me to do? That's a rather arrogant assumption. Much like your assumption that the mess you wrote earlier in any way constitutes a more "proper English" than the rest of us.

It's very amusing

Why are you still talking to me?

Which part of "please don't talk to me again in your attempted version of proper English" do you still not have a grasp on?
 

Bazal

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Why are you still talking to me?

Which part of "please don't talk to me again in your attempted version of proper English" do you still not have a grasp on?

I think you're the one failing to grasp something here....
 

ANTiLAG

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I think you're the one failing to grasp something here....

Yes. What on earth you meant in your earlier posts. But I asked you to clarify and you rudely refused. So instead of attempts at conversing with you on the subject matter which would yield the same success as trying to nail custard to the wall, I asked you politely to refrain from conversing with me directly.

But yet you insist.

But what's the point? Why do you insist? You won't answer my earlier clarification questions.

It just seems to me that you want to have the last word in a debate and be disparaging, but not debate the substance of an issue.

That interests me little.

So - again, I politely request that you just stop trying to converse with me.

So here goes yet another attempt "me no speak good England. You not same same as me but different. Shakespeare talk you do. Me no English. Don't talk to me".
 
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Bazal

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Yes. What on earth you meant in your earlier posts. But I asked you to clarify and you rudely refused. So instead of attempts at conversing with you on the subject matter which would yield the same success as trying to nail cystard to the wall, I asked you politely to refrain from conversing with me directly.

But yet you insist.

But what's the point? Why do you insist? You won't answer my earlier clarification questions.

It just seems to me that you want to have the last word in a debate and be disparaging, but not debate the substance of an issue.

That interests me little.

So - again, I politely request that you just stop trying to converse with me.

Potentially as rude as suggesting that someone can't speak English because you misunderstood a reasonable post...?

Anyway I get the feeling I'm arguing with someone's great grandmother based on your language, your sheer confusion and your obvious oversensitivity and I'm not really about making 97 year old women upset.
 

ANTiLAG

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Potentially as rude as suggesting that someone can't speak English because you misunderstood a reasonable post...?

Anyway I get the feeling I'm arguing with someone's great grandmother based on your language, your sheer confusion and your obvious oversensitivity and I'm not really about making 97 year old women upset.

Is this finally your last word on avoiding my clarification questions? Will you finally stop talking off cricket topics to me now. Or preferably just stop talking to me at all?

No offence was intended if English is your first language. I really don't know you at all. I'm genuinely sorry for you if English is your first language and this is how you write. I understand why you'd be so frustrated.
 
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Iafeta

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Antilag's fine.

So variable pace and bounce then. I am guessing by your use of "we" I am not one of the people who has ever played cricket? Fine, lets for argument's sake assume that I have never played cricket. I certainly have paid for pay tv over summer to watch cricket. Even if not, I have watched on free to air, I still have watched cricket before. Or does that not entitle to me to a say? What If I just like reading the scorecards? May I comment then on what I don't want in a pitch? What if not scorecards, just the media commentary in the news? May I comment then?



I love watching over spin myself too.

I kinda liked Lara smashing half vollies off the back foot or Punter pulling the ball on the front foot myself.

To what extreme? Do you want to manufacture contests, to what level, the point of Ireland beating Australia at home? Or just Bangladesh beating them?

Well if the first day is seaming around, the second innings has an advantage, and can now seek to win by ain innings. Maybe I like all the famous fourth day batting turn arounds, that are famous, where a team took a losing position in the 3rd innings, and ended up winning a test against the odds. Botham 81, Laxman and Dravid 2001. Exentuated variable bounce, well those odds would be more than 500-1 that Lillee and Marsh pocketed.



Cricket is a unique sport where the toss matters because all things are not equal



You complain of all these roads, but how many games are ending in boring draws? MCG games. Besides the MCG. What? Waca 2015? Oh seems to be a big problem for bowlers to get a result. Be serious Ifaeta, 4/5 Aussie roads just ended in results. Draws are becomming a rarity. Games are won. You want the matches to be closer? But you don't want your home side to lose right? Cos they will overseas right?



You cry for old school cricket and hail the helcyon days of 80's and 90's cricket and ignore the fact there is so many more results in pitches today. You cry of roads, and give the bowlers a chance, when you ignore the fact that countries are preparing pitches for their bowlers at the expense of opposition bowlers, Aus bowlers fast and tall, get the job done without much lateral movement, their batsmen back themselves to make scores on em.. Eng and NZ bowlers, shorter, oft slower and need a bit more lateral movement and get the job done at home. Eng batsmen did fairly well in Straya compared to home, but only Anderson stood up for the bowlers.

You're a nice guy. And I would probably like you in real life. But you complain Khawaja doesn't move his feet and ignore the fact ABDV doesn't much either, thinks its overrated and published this so and that Viv Richards simply slogged across the line after planting his front foot, yet call for Munro into the NZ team. And join the complainers in Dhawarn. I too would give Munro a chance in the NZ team, I agree with you there. Crap balls sometimes get wickets, and some sloggers make runs. These are facts. Cricket is complex. Its nuanced. Mark Waugh in commentary last week said "miss out on a couple of full tosses and its time to retire", Andre Adams said "its amazing how many wickets full tosses get - someone ought to do the numbers cos I suspect its boundary or out a lot" as high as 20 or 30 percent (I presume percent) out in his experience. We are entering the "moneyball" generation of cricket analysts, and a lot of the old truths about cricket will hold up. A lot won't. Today, someone can coach or be a analyst for a top team without even FC experience. Look at Perth Scorchers, look at NZ. Here's the fly in the ointment, batting and bowling averages are increasing, but so are results - verdict; runs are being scored faster. But wickets, at least against touring teams, are falling fast too, else they'd be no result.

Which of the causes of variable bounce do you want to see implemented? I can only assume it is you want the grass to wear and go patchy? Even if it gives the spinners less to grip in the process? Or would you soften or flaken the clay too? Make it lower, and slower? Like a UAE pitch? Or Indian pitch when SL or Bangladesh tour? Seam and spin at start, spin at the end? Yet they don't need ridiculous or promoted variable bounce over there to get results. I kinda liked watching BMac and KW smash centuries over there before and after Craig spun Pakistan in a web.

You want Australia to discard the home advantage it has with its ability to churn through fast bowlers? I frankly wish NZ would hammer it even more and produce some spinning tracks when Eng, NZ and Aus tour. Cos India, SL, Aus, and SA aint going to buy into changing their ways anytime soon.

Or we can argue for nuetral pitch preparation like we got umpires. I am keen for that. Still not keen on deliberate variable bounce being exentuated after a few days. I like to see bowler skill. Not bowler's down hill skiing.

See I understand Vern Philander's skill, and I get he has looked more ordinary in Aus than he does in Safrica or England, but I also see the athlete of a fast bowler like Johnson or Starc, and while not looking as fancy in England compared to Anderson, get why they take wickets in Straya as they push themselves to injury after injury. I'm also the guy who called Johnson not having much left on this forum before his retirement. I was laughed at. But sure enough, he retired early, even earier than I predicted with a massive degree of conservatism. So I care little for popular 'in the moment' opinion on this forum. Sure, Aussie test bowling is not as pretty as watching bowlers swing it, but its a sporting effort to keep the pace up ball after ball. Noone likes Gallen for his cut out passes. To be honest, I'd like to see Southee start pushing himself again. He used to bowl mid 140's in SL and make stuff happen on pitches over there more than our spinners did. Totally caught SL and their pitch preparers by surprise.

So wtih all these test results in this era, how about the tourists make stronger touring team to compete the local conditions? With all the cricket on Pay TV, winning at home like Eng, Aus and India do well, aint a good claim for global domination. I'd much rather see international cricket see massive chopping and changing in a horses for courses approach to team selection for home and away, than see variable bounce widely encouraged throughout nations and end up with a stack of bowlers challenging SF Barnes numbers for greatest of all time.

As for Strayans calling for variable bounce at home for a contest, why did Strayans not make the same claims during the Ashes in 2015? Or in India 2017. Or Bangladesh 2017? People want to see a close contest, watch Aus play in Bangladesh. Or NZ tour England. Or do people want to see who is the best in a massive variety of conditions? Cos that is what we have now. And touring teams are widely failing. But there's typically a result, despite all the coin tosses.

I have read the Strayan complaints on here, 'oh the Windies suck, NZ suck, then Aus lose in SL and then Safrica wins in Aus and the Aussie selectors suck'. When are they happy? Not when Pakistan or England sucks in Straya. Would they rather a contest where they lost all those series? I doubt it. Not many Strayans enjoyed the 80's losses which had a lot of contests, and even Indian pushed in Straya. So its gets to the point where its a just a fan saying "I want to win, but I want it to be a close win". I get that. But after how many losses would you as a fan just settle for a win? Nail bitingly close or clean sweep. How do we have all these results, where the host typically wins, but there's a problem of not enough variable bounce? Why not ask, why is the host typically winning?" And if it is different conditons, ask "do we (whoever the we is) want uniformity in pitch and ball conditions?". Because what I decyphered from Bazal's attempt at English, he doesn't seem to want those, yet like you, he wants variable bounce. So is this universal variable bounce? In Straya and away? Are English pitches boring you with their relatively true bounce?

Tl,dr
 

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