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El Diablo

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England had a team full of born and bred Englishman?

what is it with their obsession for Saffers :?
 

Twizzle

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as long as I can remember they have always had a Saffer, way back to Tony Greig
 

Twizzle

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they have used quite a few Aussies over the years as well, they even named Roy in one of their A teams but Roy told them to f**k off

we used a Saffer as well , Kepler Wessels
 

El Diablo

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they've had a few Aussies

but honestly when was the last time they had an all English team?
 

Twizzle

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it would have to be before Tony Grieg, so I'd say at a guess, back to the 70's

they have also had a few west indians as well
 

Tommy Smith

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Symonds was born in England. Thank f**k we never had to deal with his issues, though.

We have always had a few Saffers in the team. But, like Australia, they're in the Commonwealth so they're de facto Englishmen anyway.:p

It's not something we can deny. Although cricket is abit of an anomaly for Australia as most of your national teams do tend to have alot of imports. League and Union being prime examples.

I guess we need all the help we can get as hardly any English lads grow up playing cricket whereas nearly all Aussie boys have a go at some stage.
 

Iafeta

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Symonds, Brendon Julian and Luke Ronchi were born in NZ, David Boon and Ricky Ponting come from Tasmania...
 

El Diablo

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:?

first you claim he's a kiwi and then posts something already done in this thread

stick to sheep
 

Iafeta

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Ahhh no tithead, I was showing he is not born in Australia. Everyone knows where he's born. You are a melon.

Go back and have a cryfest about lbws and how England rorted the Ashes from you.
 

Iafeta

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You are a moron. It is reasonably clear to know what I meant. You're just an obnoxious little toe weed who needs to get the F off the forum and experience sunlight. You're just display extra sand because its been highlighted that Australia has done much the same.

Stick to glue.
 

El Diablo

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You are a moron. It is reasonably clear to know what I meant.

:lol:

it can only be interpreted one way

you claimed he ws born in NZ

You're just an obnoxious little toe weed who needs to get the F off the forum and experience sunlight. You're just display extra sand because its been highlighted that Australia has done much the same.

Stick to glue.


we have not done the same you dunce

nobody can even guess when England had an all England team

you can think of 3 people who have played for Aus born in other countries and one of them has only played 4 ODI's. not one test

stick to sheep
 

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Seems to be a few saffas imigrating to England. I keep hearing them saying stuff about they're getting dejected with the quota system in South Africa.

Also lets not forget Graeme Hick. He's a Zimbot.

Lets not forget Tim Ambrose. He's from Newcastle (and not Newcastle in England either)

At least Symo grew up here.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/spo...st-soft-option-for-england-20090807-ec6e.html

Trott the latest soft option for England
Peter Roebuck
August 7, 2009

ENGLISH cricket might as well close down its numerous academies and replace its large collection of coaches and assorted cream-lickers and start over again.

Vast resources have been invested in setting up institutions that fail to produce players of high calibre. Huge sums of money are bestowed upon smooth-talking impostors with vague job descriptions and most of it is wasted. As much was confirmed by the selectors as they added yet another player raised overseas to their squad for the Headingley Test.

Jonathon Trott is the fourth South African to appear this summer - an extraordinary statistic calculated to give coaches, educators and even pseudo-intellectuals pause for thought. Success has many fathers but the facts suggest that Trott's emergence was due in no small part to his background.

Meanwhile, Ryan Sidebottom's return shows that cricketing families can survive even the weakest systems.

Trott was raised in Cape Town and educated at Rondebosch Boys' High, a school that tries to turn brats into citizens. He joins Andrew Strauss, Kevin Pietersen, Matt Prior and Andy Flower in the growing African contingent.

Nor is that all; Stephen Moore is a contender for a position as an opener while Ryan McLaren and Craig Kieswetter are longer-term candidates. Before long, a batch of second-generation Africans will be pressing. Among locals, Paul Collingwood is the son of a factory worker and comes from Durham, the main source of English cricketing talent. In its pomp, English cricket depended on blue blood and blue collar, nowadays these sources have run almost dry. Luckily, settlers have filled the gap.

According to a rough count, there are 119 foreign-born players on county books. Surrey and Kent, founding members of the championship, lead the way with 19 between them. At the other end of the scale, Glamorgan has four and Nottinghamshire two.

Of course, the figures are slightly artificial. As with Ted Dexter and Colin Cowdrey, some families merely happened to be away at the time of birth. Nevertheless, the numbers brook no argument. English cricket has experienced an overseas invasion.

And the reason is simple: these players strengthen the team. Despite all the spending and clipboards and vogue phrases, England is not producing cricketers to match them.

Incidentally, the 119 does not include the 23 locally born Asians signed by counties, most noticeably in the Midlands and the north-east. Their rise is welcome and long awaited and England will be richer for it.

Already several members of these communities have represented their country, including batsman, pace bowlers and spinners. Along the way they have helped to break down barriers. Furthermore, a team consisting entirely of Patels plays in a minor league in Yorkshire!

The vast majority of the 119 belong on the second rung. Thirty years ago most top cricketers joined counties. For some it was a finishing school, others appreciated the extra income. Times have changed and these days counties search not for great players but good ones. Some are Kolpak players, taking advantage of lax European employment laws. An English grandparent is enough to allow them to seek contracts on equal terms.

Others, especially white Africans, belong to settler families seeking to avoid crime and skewed selection policies. If England was turning out the right sort of cricketers, they'd not be needed. Instead, 119 gain places. Does anyone any longer suggest that it is just a coincidence?

Of course England's gain, if it can be so described, is another's headache.

South Africa is strong and changing and not unduly concerned about its losses. McLaren and Kieswetter are the main worries. The continent's numerous outstanding schools will keep producing fine cricketers of all colours and most will stay.

In any case, South Africa cannot match the distorting money that television-rich counties throw at talented youngsters. It happens in rugby, too. Eventually South Africa will think up a way to stop the exodus. Reducing the murder rate will help.

Australia is just starting to notice its predicament. English-born, Australian-raised Darren Pattinson's surprise Test debut for England last year was a warning. Now Stewart Walters, a handy cricketer from Perth, is captaining Surrey. More pertinently, Sam Robson, two years ago an Australian under-19 player, and a fine batsman and leg-spinner, is opening the innings for Middlesex. Cricket Australia needs to monitor these developments.

Unable to produce players of their own, the Poms seem intent on pinching everyone else's sportspeople.

Instead, English cricket ought to seek its own excellence and to that end could study Spain, Sweden, South Korean women's golf, and local rowing and cycling. It can be done. But it won't happen so long as soft options are taken.
 
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