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3-2-1 v Dogs

JoeD

First Grade
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Conversely- if the pack doesn't stand up then Johnson can't play at all. They gained parity with a pack which on paper is much stronger than we are

On Ken :

It's the Ken lovers that I think have blinkers on. It's the fact that he was so hopeless previously that of course he looks better now, he could hardly look worse. Even now he's not 'good', (compared to other first grade wingers) he's bog standard and is getting praise for doing things expected of her him.
 

JoeD

First Grade
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Mannering is an absolute beast. Who would have thought that lanky centre from all those years ago would develop into the heart and soul of our team.

Got some serious man love for this bloke
Totally agree. I've had a few limited interactions with him and the guy is an absolute gentleman and genuinely friendly - and whenever I run into him he remembers my name.
 

Iafeta

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Conversely- if the pack doesn't stand up then Johnson can't play at all. They gained parity with a pack which on paper is much stronger than we are

On Ken :

It's the Ken lovers that I think have blinkers on. It's the fact that he was so hopeless previously that of course he looks better now, he could hardly look worse. Even now he's not 'good', (compared to other first grade wingers) he's bog standard and is getting praise for doing things expected of her him.

Can't agree with that. The guy works his backside off. The areas he needed to fix was his defensive reads, hands on attacking kicks, and ability to finish. All year he's been improving these aspects. He was always physically capable.

He works hard. There are stories about the lad doing a tonne of extras. You can see his development. He's stepping blokes now. Before he was just being a battering ram. He's taking the difficult kicks with confidence. And he's getting into far better positions to be on the receding end to score.

Nonetheless, there aren't many wingers who could create the try he did last night.
 

PhantomChief

Juniors
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Warriors v Bulldogs: Five Key Points
Words: Tony Webeck, Chief Queensland Correspondent‌‌, ‌‌‌NRL.com

Fri 23rd June, 09:15PM

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Luke's injury blow, the Bulldogs' attacking woes, Johnson's controlled performance and Gavet turns up the aggression. Key points from the Warriors' victory over the Dogs Mt Smart Stadium.

Johnson in control at home
Not even the absence of Kieran Foran could unsettle Shaun Johnson on home turf as he once again showed his affinity for Mt Smart Stadium with a performance brimming with controlled brilliance.

In greasy conditions Johnson showed his right foot was in tune early with a clever chip that sat in the Bulldogs' in-goal to earn a repeat set and in the opening minutes of the second half he dropped the ball onto his boot from 10 metres out and delivered a perfectly weighted grubber for Blake Ayshford to score and open up a 12-point lead.

He would have had his 14th try assist of the season had David Fusitu'a not encroached on the 10-metres on a Marcelo Montoya error but all in all it was exactly the display his side needed to secure a second straight win for just the second time this season.

Points still at a premium for Dogs
The Bulldogs haven't scored 20 points in a game since Round 7 and in difficult conditions on Friday night their attack struggled again to find its fluency.

The return of Josh Reynolds gives them much needed energy and direction but they could only manage a penalty goal in the first 40 minutes and it took the introduction of a former Warrior in Raymond Faitala-Mariner before they finally crossed the stripe in the 55th minute.

It's actually hard to identify where it is going wrong, given the platform the forwards lay and the improved form of Michael Lichaa but they may guilty of little more than over-thinking things.

When they got desperate late in the game they played fast and forward and created opportunities, which is perhaps the blueprint moving forward.

Warriors looking at life without Luke
Just when he was looking like the player again who took Souths to a premiership in 2014 Warriors hooker Issac Luke is looking at an extended stint on the sideline after dislocating his shoulder on Friday night.

In an innocuous looking tackle 33 minutes into the match, Luke rose from the Mt Smart turf clutching at his right shoulder with the Warriors doctor confirming he had suffered a shoulder dislocation, an injury that seems very much in vogue this season.

A handful of Titans and Broncos five-eighth Anthony Milford are some of the players that have suffered a similar injury this year with the recovery time usually in the area of six weeks, a big blow to the Warriors' hopes of building momentum.

Continuing on his recent run of good form, Luke troubled the Bulldogs defence early and very nearly came up with a 40/20 before he was replaced by Nathaniel Roache who flourished with his greatest number of minutes so far this season.

Whether he can fill the void left by Luke remains to be seen.

Gavet gives Warriors much-needed mongrel
Every successful team needs that one player the opposition doesn't want to tackle or be tackled by, and James Gavet is that man in 2017 for the Warriors.

The energy he brought from the bench was not only infectious for his teammates but gave Bulldogs players something to be wary of, especially Josh Reynolds who copped a savage – but legal – hit to the kidneys that knocked the stuffing out of him.

He delivered a charge late in the first half that looked like it might finish across the other side of the try-line and a low tackle on James Graham caused the Bulldogs skipper to take stock of the situation.

It's been a checkered start to life in the NRL for the 27-year-old but if he can maintain control of his aggression he will prove to be a great asset in the back-end of the season.

Ken's effort a lesson in 1 per centers
When Ken Maumalo was knocked to the ground midway through the first half he could very easily lay prone and wait to be secured by the Bulldogs defence.

After his team had made a bright start the visitors had worked their way back into the contest and were getting on top before Maumalo took matters into his own hands.

A sharp shift to the left gave him some space to wind up and when he got knocked down he lifted his giant frame off the turf in a millisecond and sprung immediately into action, pushing away from Josh Reynolds a second time and putting a left-foot step on Will Hopoate and out-pace the chasing defence.

It was a 70-metre run that if he'd been even the slightest bit lazy would have ended before it began.

http://www.bulldogs.com.au/news/2017/06/23/warriors_v_bulldogs_.html

... no mention of Mannering monumental effort!
 

jaseg

Juniors
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I think most on here had blinkers on and didn't see Ken's improvements to his game until suddenly he is awesome. So it is kind of bandwagoning.

As for SJ his field kicking game was excellent and the reason we won imo.

I'm not really sure that's actually the case though - Ken was getting a few (cautiously) positive mentions earlier in the year as we saw his wing play finally develop. After the first Eels game (early April?) he was getting a few mentions (I certainly did, something along the lines of 'whisper it quietly, but could Ken be turning into a real winger?' - and from memory I'm pretty certain I wasn't alone).

Thing is with stuff like this (perception of a player, particularly one that's had such a bad start to his NRL career) there's always going to be an element of inertia - it takes time to have confidence that it wasn't a one-off kind of thing but actually representative of development on the part of the player. TBH I've seen a definite decline in the calls for him to be dropped for a while now (I think Kata has been much more droppable). So I'm not sure the 'awful' to 'awesome' instant switch really happened for most.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

First Grade
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8,673
Warriors v Bulldogs: Five Key Points
Words: Tony Webeck, Chief Queensland Correspondent‌‌, ‌‌‌NRL.com

Fri 23rd June, 09:15PM

1498216933705.jpg;pvd9e14388f9a100f0


Luke's injury blow, the Bulldogs' attacking woes, Johnson's controlled performance and Gavet turns up the aggression. Key points from the Warriors' victory over the Dogs Mt Smart Stadium.

Johnson in control at home
Not even the absence of Kieran Foran could unsettle Shaun Johnson on home turf as he once again showed his affinity for Mt Smart Stadium with a performance brimming with controlled brilliance.

In greasy conditions Johnson showed his right foot was in tune early with a clever chip that sat in the Bulldogs' in-goal to earn a repeat set and in the opening minutes of the second half he dropped the ball onto his boot from 10 metres out and delivered a perfectly weighted grubber for Blake Ayshford to score and open up a 12-point lead.

He would have had his 14th try assist of the season had David Fusitu'a not encroached on the 10-metres on a Marcelo Montoya error but all in all it was exactly the display his side needed to secure a second straight win for just the second time this season.

Points still at a premium for Dogs
The Bulldogs haven't scored 20 points in a game since Round 7 and in difficult conditions on Friday night their attack struggled again to find its fluency.

The return of Josh Reynolds gives them much needed energy and direction but they could only manage a penalty goal in the first 40 minutes and it took the introduction of a former Warrior in Raymond Faitala-Mariner before they finally crossed the stripe in the 55th minute.

It's actually hard to identify where it is going wrong, given the platform the forwards lay and the improved form of Michael Lichaa but they may guilty of little more than over-thinking things.

When they got desperate late in the game they played fast and forward and created opportunities, which is perhaps the blueprint moving forward.

Warriors looking at life without Luke
Just when he was looking like the player again who took Souths to a premiership in 2014 Warriors hooker Issac Luke is looking at an extended stint on the sideline after dislocating his shoulder on Friday night.

In an innocuous looking tackle 33 minutes into the match, Luke rose from the Mt Smart turf clutching at his right shoulder with the Warriors doctor confirming he had suffered a shoulder dislocation, an injury that seems very much in vogue this season.

A handful of Titans and Broncos five-eighth Anthony Milford are some of the players that have suffered a similar injury this year with the recovery time usually in the area of six weeks, a big blow to the Warriors' hopes of building momentum.

Continuing on his recent run of good form, Luke troubled the Bulldogs defence early and very nearly came up with a 40/20 before he was replaced by Nathaniel Roache who flourished with his greatest number of minutes so far this season.

Whether he can fill the void left by Luke remains to be seen.

Gavet gives Warriors much-needed mongrel
Every successful team needs that one player the opposition doesn't want to tackle or be tackled by, and James Gavet is that man in 2017 for the Warriors.

The energy he brought from the bench was not only infectious for his teammates but gave Bulldogs players something to be wary of, especially Josh Reynolds who copped a savage – but legal – hit to the kidneys that knocked the stuffing out of him.

He delivered a charge late in the first half that looked like it might finish across the other side of the try-line and a low tackle on James Graham caused the Bulldogs skipper to take stock of the situation.

It's been a checkered start to life in the NRL for the 27-year-old but if he can maintain control of his aggression he will prove to be a great asset in the back-end of the season.

Ken's effort a lesson in 1 per centers
When Ken Maumalo was knocked to the ground midway through the first half he could very easily lay prone and wait to be secured by the Bulldogs defence.

After his team had made a bright start the visitors had worked their way back into the contest and were getting on top before Maumalo took matters into his own hands.

A sharp shift to the left gave him some space to wind up and when he got knocked down he lifted his giant frame off the turf in a millisecond and sprung immediately into action, pushing away from Josh Reynolds a second time and putting a left-foot step on Will Hopoate and out-pace the chasing defence.

It was a 70-metre run that if he'd been even the slightest bit lazy would have ended before it began.

http://www.bulldogs.com.au/news/2017/06/23/warriors_v_bulldogs_.html

... no mention of Mannering monumental effort!
Very similar to my 321, only I had Mannering with the 1 point for doing his usual. Probably should've gave it to Ken for doing his UNusual. Great game from both though.

As I said a few weeks out - our pack is getting better particularly with the return of Matulino who's stats play a supporting role to the main star, James Gavett. Mannering is continuing what he always does and thats work hard. Lisones doing more. Hoff is going ok. Thompsons...surviving. Lillymans Lillyman. The pack is progressing.
 

Meth

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Congratulations James Gavet

Gavet 50
Mannering 37
Maumalo 22

Roache 21
Johnson 13
Hoffman 1

24 voted

(This includes SpaceMonkey's 3-2-1 from the other thread)
 
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Come on mate... here's what he was doing wrong;

1) Stopped even trying to catch a lot of contested high balls (let it bounce or do ridiculous tap/smack backs)
2) Dropped uncontested kicks
3) Dropped off tackles
4) Was out of position on defence (this is only half his fault, and half Kata)
5) Didn't read any kicks in behind as was sloooooow to get back
6) Kept trying to interfere with opposition players running to those kicks illegally
7) Out of position pretty much always in attacking zones
8) Bombed try scoring opportunities with a fair degree of regularity (4 tries from 28 games, it's not like he didn't have chances)

Ken of the last month and Ken prior to that are two wildly different things. I'll give the man kudos for being good now, but that doesn't make his performances previous to that retroactively good. It's a joke (and typical of the Warriors) that he had to learn the fundamentals of his position while in first grade. And if Kata has taught us anything, it's to enjoy what he's doing now... because unfortunately there is always the possibility he might regress again - player progression isn't necessarily linear.

Jase bro i respect all your comments on this but i guess we will agree to disagree on this.

On your numbered list 1 to 4 id say currently CNK is currently going through this. Like Ken it would be a confidence thing, hell even RTS has been 1 to 4 in lots of games this year.
Kata leaves Ken high and dry at least 1/2 dozen times a game. Kata is one of the most selfish players ive seen. Your number 8 Kata wins the gold medal for this.

I still cant get over this Maumalo hate, its on nearly every friggen forum going around. Hes not the stereo type winger but hes got a massive motor and hes getting better as the season goes on. I feel really really sorry for him as ive seen the racial pokes people have at his on the forums and hes even had death threats sent to him. Death threats FFS. Unbelievable
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

First Grade
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I feel really really sorry for him as ive seen the racial pokes people have at his on the forums and hes even had death threats sent to him. Death threats FFS. Unbelievable
Really sad to hear yeah and it is hard to believe people can mentally go to such extremes over a game of league. These types just watch the games from the start, already hating on Ken agenda. People need to remember that if Ken goes good, we go good.

He played really good for us in the conditions on Saturday and I just hope Ken keeps it up longer than viagra and uses all this hatred to fuel his fire to succeed.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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Very similar to the way Kata developed through 2015, we were all calling for him to be dropped because he wasn't FG standard. Then 2016, he busts out and has a huge year (yes this year has been crap but he was 2nd in the POTY stakes for me). So whilst we do bag the shit out of the coaches, they deserve to be dishing out a bit of humble pie on Kata/Ken. And no, that doesn't suggest I'm saying Ken is awesome. I'm just saying he's improving greatly and doing things he used to do shit, reasonably well. I mean that try, I literally laughed then cried then yelled. He was 100000-1 to be able to do that at the season's start. It was epic. By no means is he the best winger in the comp, or Manu at peak or whoever....but obviously he's working hard behind the scenes and the coaches backed him.

That report someone posted above is exactly right, the desire he showed to get up and score that try was admirable. It was one of my favourite Warriors tries in terms of my enjoyment of it.
 

JJ

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Ken has scored in his last four games. Including a stunner.

Not bad for a dude who can't score tries.

Think he can now.
Yep, he's worked on his work ons and is immersed in the process.

Nobody questions his effort, and he's improved immensely
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
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Ken has scored in his last four games. Including a stunner.

Not bad for a dude who can't score tries.

Think he can now.

He's scored more tries in the last four games than his entire career up until that point. His reputation for having a rubbish strike rate was well warranted, but it's something he's obviously seriously improved. Hes actually scoring proper wingers tries too now which is great to see.
 

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