A Top 25 Squad

[emjaycee]

I don't think we have enough NRL ready players to make up a top 25....

And if this is true (which I also believe to be the case) then therein lies the crux of Hagans problem, the reason for little sacking throughout the year and why 2008 was as dismal as it was.

 

[Bazal]

And if this is true (which I also believe to be the case) then therein lies the crux of Hagans problem, the reason for little sacking throughout the year and why 2008 was as dismal as it was.

We didn't have enough NRL players in 2008...and when that became clear to Hagan, rather than try other players, he persisted with the ones who weren't ready. With no result IMO. Tautai, Williams, Hauraki, and Oake showed (for mine) that they weren't yet up to it quite early...and especially with guys like Grothe and Galuvao with a wealth of experience they shouldn't have stayed. It also held back guys like Horo, Wright, Iwi, Jono Wright, Etu etc who might very well have been NRL ready...

 

[parra.letic]

outside backs 1,2,5

Burt,Hayne,Reddy,Grothe,Etu

centres 3,4

Smith,Inu,Tautai,

Halves 6,7

Keating,Finch,?Ndaira/Drew?

Hookers 9

Keating,Mitchell

Props 8,10

Cayless,MoiMoi,Cordoba,Paulo,Mannah,Wright

Backrow 11,12,13

Hindmarsh,Hauraki,Mateo,Gaulavo,Lowrie,Oake

Fringe players: Wright,Grehan,Richardson,Mortimer,M.Mitchell(good player),Latimore,Baumann,Robinson,Horo

Surely that would constitute the top 25,and all are NRL ready or NRL experienced besides Etu,Mitchell,Mannah who surely are good enough to make the step up!

The difference between NRL ready and NRL quality is our problem!

 

[bartman]

I dont really think that will happen.

In 2006, Michael Hagan was much more professional than Brian Smith.

True.

 

[bartman]

I purposely didn't attempt to pick Parra's top 25 for next year however for those of you that did, would you say that all of your selections were/are/will be ready for NRL from round 1???

As I mentioned in the original post, I think a top 25 needs to be ready NOW, not hopefully later in the year or next year. If they aren't ready then you can't use them and they are wasting a top tier position (aka Anthony Mitchell in 2008).

Oh no, the 25s we're naming will not be ready/first grade standard. But yes, I agree they should be.

We have failed tohelp some of the fringe guys playing firsts each week to improve their game this year.

 

[bartman]

Personally I would've paid for him instead of Hauraki and Oake. You can call me stupid in a couple of years if Williams is terrible - but he looks for all the world like he has the tools to be a very good first grade forward.
Be interesting to see how he goes with some good coaching.

I'd have paid 80-100 to keep Tony for the next two seasons, and then maybe more for the next contract if he showed improvement.

Sure he maybe eventually turn into a 120-150K player, but if we start paying overs to keep him untested in firsts and honestly not that impressive when there - I don't buy this position stuff that Hayne was worried about, imo good players worth 150K+ will show their brains and enthusiasm and initiative regardless of the number teh coach has on their back - then where does it end?

Weller and Oake are two of the guys who didn't step up their games to first grade standard imo, and the coaching the past two seasons hasn't really brought improvements in them either.

 

[bartman]

The difference between NRL ready and NRL quality is our problem!

Amen!

 

[yy_cheng]

I didn't know we lost Tim Mortimer

Broncos

Gains:
Israel Folau (Storm)
Ben Te'o (Tigers)
Lagi Setu (Dragons)
Kurtis Lingwoodock (Titans)

Losses:
Ben Hannant (Bulldogs)
Michael Ennis (Bulldogs)
Darius Boyd (Dragons)
Tonie Carroll (Retirement)
Denan Kemp (Warriors)
Joel Moon (Warriors)
Greg Eastwood (Leeds)
Shane Perry (Les Cattalans)
Rodney Davies (QLD Reds)
Troyden Watene (Cowboys)
Jared Kahu (Cowboys)


Bulldogs

Gains:
Brett Kimmorley (Sharks)
Josh Morris (Dragons)
Ben Hannant (Broncos)
Michael Ennis (Broncos)
Michael Hodgson (Titans)
Yileen Gordon (Rabbitohs)
Bryson Goodwin (Sharks)
Chris Ward (Panthers)
Benson Tupou (Tigers)
Marmin Barba (Mackay)

Losses:
Sonny Bill Williams (Toulon)
Willie Tonga (Cowboys)
Corey Hughes (Sharks)
Arana Taumata (Sacked)
Leon Bott (Waratahs)
Nick Youngquest (Pia Donkeys)
Lorenzo Ma'afu (Knights)


Raiders

Gains:
David Shillington (Roosters)
Stuart Flanagan (Tigers)
Luke Walsh (Knights)

Losses:
Todd Carney (Sacked)
Lincoln Withers (Celtic Crusaders)
Neville Costigan (Dragons)
William Zillman (Titans)
Bronx Goodwin (Sacked)
Colin Best (Rabbitohs)
Ryan Hinchcliffe (Storm)
Michael Dobson (Hull KR)
Marshall Chalk (Crusaders)


Sharks

Gains:
Trent Barrett (Wigan)
Anthony Tupou (Roosters)
Corey Hughes (Bulldogs)
Johnathan Mannah (Eels)
Matthew Wright (Panthers)
Aidan Howard (Howick NZ)
Phillip Latu (Howick NZ)

Losses:
Brett Kimmorley (Bulldogs)
Greg Bird (Sacked)
Isaac De Gois (Knights)
Danny Nutley (Retirement)
Bryson Goodwin (Bulldogs)
Tu'u Maori (Roosters)


Manly

Gains:
Chris Bailey (Knights)
Shane Rodney (Panthers)
Tony Williams (Eels)
Trent Hodgkinson (Eels)
Tim Mortimer (Eels)

Losses:
Steve Menzies (Bradford)
Steve Bell (Les Cattalans)
Mark Bryant (Crusaders)
Luke Williamson (Harlequins)
Jack Afamasaga (ESL)


Storm

Gains:
Matt Cross (Titans)
Arana Taumata (Bulldogs)
James Maloney (Eels)
Ryan Hinchcliffe (Raiders)
William Isa (Panthers)

Losses:
Michael Crocker (Hull)
Jeremy Smith (Dragons)
Antonio Kaufusi (Cowboys)
Sam Tagataese (Titans)
Matt Geyer (Retired)
Liam Foran (Warriors)


Titans

Gains:
William Zillman (Raiders)
Sam Tagataese (Storm)
Matt White (Knights)

Losses:
Michael Hodgson (Bulldogs)
Clint Amos (Cowboys)
Gavin Cooper (Panthers)
Kris Kahler (Pia Donkeys)
Luke Swain (Salford)
Josh Lewis (Tigers)
Matt Cross (Storm)
Kurtis Lingwoodock (Broncos)


Knights

Gains:
Isaac De Gois (Sharks)
Ben Rogers (Dragons)
Lorenzo Ma'afu (Bulldogs)
Constantine Mika (Warriors)

Losses:
Danny Buderus (Leeds)
Chris Bailey (Manly)
Mitchell Sargent (Castleford)
Matt White (Titans)
Callan Richardson (Eels)
Boyd Cordner (Roosters)


Cowboys

Gains:
Willie Tonga (Bulldogs)
Antonio Kaufusi (Storm)
Manase Manuokafoa (Rabbitohs)
Donald Malone (Ipswich)
James Tamou (Roosters)
Mitchell Achurch (Tigers)
Steve Rapira (Warriors)
Troyden Watene (Broncos)
Jared Kahu (Broncos)

Losses:
Jacob Lillyman (Warriors)
Ray Cashmere (Salford)
Mark Henry (Salford)
David Faiumu (Huddersfield)
Sione Faumuina (Castleford)
Ryan Carr (Tigers)


Eels

Gains:
Callan Richardson (Knights)
Josh Murray (Roosters)
James Te Pou (Auckland)
Edan Price (Wagga Wagga)

Losses:
Mark Riddell (Wigan)
Tim Smith (Wigan)
Chad Robinson (Harlequins)
Tony Williams (Manly)
Trent Hodgkinson (Manly)
James Maloney (Storm)
Johnathan Mannah (Sharks)
Tim Mortimer (Manly)


Panthers

Gains:
Gavin Cooper (Titans)

Losses:
Rhys Wesser (Rabbitohs)
Luke Rooney (Toulon)
Tony Puletua (St Helens)
Luke Priddis (Dragons)
Shane Rodney (Manly)
Chris Ward (Bulldogs)
Matthew Wright (Sharks)
William Isa (Storm)


Rabbitohs

Gains:
Rhys Wesser (Panthers)
Colin Best (Raiders)

Losses:
Dean Widders (Castleford)
Jeremy Smith (Salford)
Manase Manuokafoa (Cowboys)
Yileen Gordon (Bulldogs)


Dragons

Gains:
Darius Boyd (Broncos)
Jeremy Smith (Storm)
Neville Costigan (Raiders)
Luke Priddis (Panthers)
Michael Weyman (Raiders)
Mathew Head (Tigers)
Hayden Fepuleai (Hurstville)

Losses:
Mark Gasnier (Stade Francais)
Jason Ryles (Les Cattalans)
Kirk Reynoldson (Retirement)
Rangi Chase (Castleford)
Josh morris (Bulldogs)

Roosters

Gains:
Gary Natoealofa (Howick NZ)
Tu'u Maori (Sharks)
Boyd Cordner (Knights)

Losses:
Anthony Tupou (Sharks)
David Shillington (Raiders)
James Tamou (Cowboys)
Josh Murray (Eels)


Warriors

Gains:
Jacob Lillyman (Cowboys)
Denan Kemp (Broncos)
Joel Moon (Broncos)
Liam Foran (Storm)
Lewis Brown (Tigers)
Aaron Heremaia (Vulcans)
Ukuma Ta'ai (Mt Albert)
Sam Franklin (Canterbury)

Losses:
Ruben Wiki (Retirement)
Wairangi Koopu (ESL)
Logan Swann (Retirement)
Michael Crockett (Released)
Ryan Shortland (Released)
Constantine Mika (Knights)
Steve Rapira (Cowboys)


Tigers

Gains:
Gareth Ellis (Leeds)
Josh Lewis (Titans)
Ryan Carr (Cowboys)

Losses:
Ben Te'o (Broncos)
Brett Hodgson (Huddersfield)
Ryan O'Hara (Crusaders)
Mathew Head (Dragons)
Lewis Brown (Warriors)
Benson Tupou (Bulldogs)
Mitchell Achurch (Cowboys)

 

[bartman]

Eels

Gains:
Callan Richardson (Knights)
Josh Murray (Roosters)
James Te Pou (Auckland)
Edan Price (Wagga Wagga)

Who on earth are these people :lol:

 

[Stagger eel]

I didn't know we lost Tim Mortimer

I made some enquiries about Tim last week and at that time when the rumour surfaced he hadn't signed with anyone. infact Manly were the ones who gave him the flick this year when he turned out for us.