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Vee

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The Brisbane Lions money losing hand over foot ATM.And the Suns are struggling despite the millions spent backing them,The Gnats despite the top of the ladder and huge monies outlaid can't get a quorum for Tv in Sydney.The Swans still can't crack it here on TV. after 36 yearsThis with also control over the scheduling.
So if that's majestic so be it.They were gifted a dream run,95 -2000
Whilst it is no doubt doing ATM better than the NRL no doubt financially ,it's still got its share of financial issues with some clubs.
And they're still doing us left and right...
 

taipan

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And they're still doing us left and right...


When they have a RLWC,SOO ,a team in NZ you'd have a fair point.

ATM and until out 2018 monies roll in and the NRL get scheduling control ,yes they are ahead.They are also well ahead in stadiums ,but that won't last more than a few more years with {Parramatta,ANZ,Nth Qld ,in the pipeline).

' Doing us left and right" nope.They'd kill for an SOO such as ours meaning 3 massive Tv audiences extra they don"t get nationally).Remembering of course like the NRL they too lost money in 2016.

Once the Knights and Titans are sold ,we will have a little more money to throw around.
So I'm not that pessemistic.provided the 2018 monies is allocated to the right places.
 

Vee

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When they have a RLWC,SOO ,a team in NZ you'd have a fair point.

ATM and until out 2018 monies roll in and the NRL get scheduling control ,yes they are ahead.They are also well ahead in stadiums ,but that won't last more than a few more years with {Parramatta,ANZ,Nth Qld ,in the pipeline).

' Doing us left and right" nope.They'd kill for an SOO such as ours meaning 3 massive Tv audiences extra they don"t get nationally).Remembering of course like the NRL they too lost money in 2016.

Once the Knights and Titans are sold ,we will have a little more money to throw around.
So I'm not that pessemistic.provided the 2018 monies is allocated to the right places.
Good luck with all that. Granted, they can't do Origin and Internationals with minor nations (in world terms) but they are so far in front of us nationally, it hardly matters.
 

taipan

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Good luck with all that. Granted, they can't do Origin and Internationals with minor nations (in world terms) but they are so far in front of us nationally, it hardly matters.

It matters mate, without SOO and Internationals we wouldn't be earning the coin.

They are far in front of us from a no of states perspective agreed ,but that hasn't translated into a huge difference TV deal wise.and it hasn't prevented having problems with expansion clubs ongoing.
They tried in NZ and got rejected almost out of hand.Yet you rarely hear acceptance by fumblers of that attempt.Do they have a PNG team in a 2nd tier comp? Or a planned Fijian one in the pipeline?
Do they spend money on bunkers?

It begs the question why are we behind nationally? Did getting dudded on Tv deals have an influence? Did the SL peace deal flicking Adelaide and Perth have something to do with it? Did lack of lobbying influence with Govt have a little to do with it?Or did having nothing in the Bank from 1995 have something to do with it?
 

Vee

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It begs the question why are we behind nationally? Did getting dudded on Tv deals have an influence? Did the SL peace deal flicking Adelaide and Perth have something to do with it? Did lack of lobbying influence with Govt have a little to do with it?Or did having nothing in the Bank from 1995 have something to do with it?

IMO, the two were neck and neck in the 90s except they had a tv partner that wanted to work with them for mutual benefit where we had one that only saw our game in terms of what it could do for them.

They formed a commission to expand the game, we had a civil war with all that wasted money and lost opportunity. They got two or three good TV deals while we were accepting whatever Rupert and Nein would offer us. They acted to promote and expand their game with their war chest, we piss ours away propping up bad business models.
 
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ong-love-of-rugby-league-20170728-gxkw01.html

New ARL commissioner Megan Davis on her lifelong love of rugby league

Megan Davis, among her other distinguished posts, has mediated between nations in her role as chair of the Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues at the United Nations.

It's serious business, with high stakes and the need for expert diplomacy. It might even be enough, the law professor hopes, to put her in good stead for dealing with the egos, politics and power plays of the greatest game of all.

"I've had to do some pretty serious negotiations between many member states of the UN on a number of things. In terms of the diplomacy that's required, to negotiate among the clubs and the states, hopefully those skills will be useful," Davis said with a smile after being appointed to a seat on the Australian Rugby League Commission.

If Davis would be wise not to underestimate the machinations of rugby league, than rusted-on powerbrokers in the game should be equally as wary if they are planning to take on the decorated lawyer, teacher and constitutional expert.

A proud Cobble Cobble woman, Davis is a Professor of Law at the University of NSW, a commissioner of the NSW Land and Environment Court, an indigenous leader that played a key role in the Referendum Council Aboriginal Constitutional Dialogues, as well as a former UN Fellow of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva.

And she knows a hell of a lot about rugby league. Immersed in the code since her childhood - 'It's like air. You don't even question it. It's just who you are ' - Davis can't remember a time when she wasn't speaking about, watching or listening to the game.

"Of course, that's the game of choice for most blackfullas. My own family were moved from Warrina in the Bunya Mountains to the Cherbourg Reserve early in the 1900s. I have family growing up in Cherbourg that always played rugby league," Davis said.

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"It's just a big part of our culture. They eventually left the Reserve and my grandad and his brother grew up in Urangan near Hervey Bay. They played around there and were big contributors to the development of indigenous rugby league there, including the creation of the Pialba All Blacks in the 1920s.

"My dad played rugby league. My brothers played rugby league. My nephews played rugby league. We moved and ended up in Logan (Eagleby) and my brother was good mates with Alan Cann and Tonie Carroll. It's just a huge part of our culture."

Those that have simplistically painted the addition of Davis and former Queensland premier Peter Beattie to the ARLC as another move by the Maroon mafia need to understand the depths of Davis' affection for league, it's history and the legacy yet to be left.

Throughout her career, she has found inspiration through musicians, diplomats, poets and artists. Yet rugby league has somehow always been the soundtrack and the framework, no matter where she was in the world.

"I always credit my very good study routines to rugby league. On the weekend, it revolved around the ABC Grandstand call and sitting in my study around that. One way of getting on with your brothers in adolescence is to find something in common with them. I think league was the universal language in our house.

And on whether her Queensland background should concern the Sydney clubs: "Queensland is one aspect of my identity. But I've lived in Sydney since 2002. I go to Henson Oval, Newtown... I've spent enough time here to appreciate the culture of rugby league in this city."

Davis enters the Commission with impeccable credentials for the looming constitutional reform but in terms of the code, a fan's perspective. She's an avid attendee of games from Allianz Stadium to Penrith. She has never met stars like Johnathan Thurston (she supports the Cowboys) and never set foot in a post-game dressing room.

But she sees beauty and inspiration in the game's players and the stories that remain to be told. For her family and many like it, the game represented so much more than a sport and a contest.

"There's a very interesting story about how rugby league was the ticket off the Reserve for many blackfullas, to actually play in white teams among white Australians. It was almost the emancipatory potential of league that enabled people to leave the Reserve. It's a really important story that needs to be told.

"AFL likes to promote itself as the indigenous code. And people will say sneering things about rugby league, like 'why do you want to follow a colonial sport', and I think that's such an unsophisticated way to look at the role rugby league plays in Aboriginal communities.

"It is true to say that it gave people freedom... the freedom to leave the Reserves and play among other Australians. This sport, that Aboriginal men were so good at... the archives are so rich, stories of great Aboriginal players we are yet to write about. And I say 'yet' because they need to be written about."
 

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It begs the question why are we behind nationally? Did getting dudded on Tv deals have an influence? Did the SL peace deal flicking Adelaide and Perth have something to do with it? Did lack of lobbying influence with Govt have a little to do with it?Or did having nothing in the Bank from 1995 have something to do with it?

Going back 20 years isn't going to give you an answer. You would have to understand where and why the spilt originally occurred in the preference of codes within the population of Australia and the states from soccer to union to league to AFL. The answer isn't straight forward.
 

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Going back 20 years isn't going to give you an answer. You would have to understand where and why the spilt originally occurred in the preference of codes within the population of Australia and the states from soccer to union to league to AFL. The answer isn't straight forward.

I know how and why the split occurred ,circa 1995 I was at the sharks League club when they went to SL.
I also know the SARL had $25m set in the Bank.Now in todays' terms with values doubling every 10 years would have a buying value of $100m,.
BTW soccer has always had a huge grassroots base here ,I played it til High school,

I agree with your last sentence, the answer isn;'t straight forward, and that has been my consistent argument all along.
The reasons for crowd drops etc and why we haven't expanded as yet, are many.Not just one, and as I also stated it's easy to criticise but a damn side harder to say hey this is how you do it easy.
 

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It matters mate, without SOO and Internationals we wouldn't be earning the coin.

They are far in front of us from a no of states perspective agreed ,but that hasn't translated into a huge difference TV deal wise.and it hasn't prevented having problems with expansion clubs ongoing.
They tried in NZ and got rejected almost out of hand.Yet you rarely hear acceptance by fumblers of that attempt.Do they have a PNG team in a 2nd tier comp? Or a planned Fijian one in the pipeline?
Do they spend money on bunkers?

It begs the question why are we behind nationally? Did getting dudded on Tv deals have an influence? Did the SL peace deal flicking Adelaide and Perth have something to do with it? Did lack of lobbying influence with Govt have a little to do with it?Or did having nothing in the Bank from 1995 have something to do with it?

That's like saying the ARU are doing much better than us as union has a much better international game and bigger World Cup!

Domestically they are ahead of us in pretty much any measure you want to look at that matters. I think we've got more social media followers, rejoice!

Oh and we had $tens of mills in the bank 4 years ago and this mob has pssed it away in the space of three years!
 
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If it were that simple,it would have been done even with Gallop's incompetence.
A. That makes no sense.
And
B.
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Nice Beaver

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If it were that simple,it would have been done even with Gallop's incompetence.

That pencil necked f*ck was one of the lawyers for News when they tore league apart.

That piece of shit was a cancer on the game from the moment he set foot near the game.

Wow. They brought in GC when he was fumbling around.

He and his cronies at News also destroyed the Crushers. So give with one hand, tale away with the other.
 
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taipan

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A. That makes no sense.
And
B.
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Then offering zero solution to the problem without the financial facts, also makes no sense.No need either for an A or B.
You don't need a degree in commonsense to know, if you don't have the money available,you can't spend what you wish.And that's taking into account incompetence of prior and current NRL management.
 

taipan

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That pencil necked f*ck was one of the lawyers for News when they tore league apart.

That piece of shit was a cancer on the game from the moment he set foot near the game.

Wow. They brought in GC when he was fumbling around.

He and his cronies at News also destroyed the Crushers. So give with one hand, tale away with the other.

I take it ,Gallop is not on your Christmas card list?:p

AH !! News Ltd ,News what an exciting 4 letter word, made rl great again LOL.

Rupert,Bec,Rothfield,Kent,Hooper,Massoud always projected rl in a positive light.
 
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So an NRL run by a stooge and owned by News Ltd did more to grow the league with less money than the current "independent" admin has done with their "billions".

Pretty much proves my point about directionless, myopic and weak administration.
 

Nice Beaver

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So an NRL run by a stooge and owned by News Ltd did more to grow the league with less money than the current "independent" admin has done with their "billions".

Pretty much proves my point about directionless, myopic and weak administration.

Grew league? They killed clubs off.

Put a team in SEQ......what a great idea! Why didn't somebody else think of that.

Anyway.
 

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