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  1. bazza

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    Apparently when it comes to citizenship of another country, the tactic of just making shit up and repeating it does not actually make it true
     
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    Red faces over Roberts reversal
    In July, Sky's Paul Murray boasted he was ‘one million percent’ sure that Senator Malcolm Roberts was not a dual citizen, now the High Court has declared he was.

    PAUL MURRAY: A few people have done some Googling, have done some Wikipedia-ing, and are very determined to prove that you are a dual citizen. So tonight, we are going to go through a series of documents that I have seen, that I have read, that are a million per cent correct, all of these nice to be seen, and it is the chronology of how we get to tonight, alright? Let’s deal with this once and for all, and I believe very clearly proves you aren’t a dual citizen.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 27 July, 2017

    Hello, I’m Paul Barry, welcome to Media Watch.

    And that was Paul Murray finding his good friend Senator Malcolm Roberts innocent on all charges of electoral crime in a Sky News exclusive two months ago.

    Justice Murray spent nearly nine minutes running through ‘evidence’, which he did not share with his audience, that supposedly proved the One Nation Senator had always been a dinky-di Aussie and was not a British citizen at the time of his election:

    PAUL MURRAY: Now I’ve seen that document, it’s in bold, there’s no question that that is the document that was put in place.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 27 July, 2017

    And without letting us in on exactly what they were looking at, he and the Senator both then declared:

    PAUL MURRAY: I’m very confident in everything I have seen. But are you very confident that if anyone wanted to challenge you?

    MALCOLM ROBERTS: Very confident.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 27 July, 2017

    The interview looked stupid then.

    It now looks ridiculous.

    Because last week Roberts was hauled before the High Court. And as we now know it did not go well:

    PETER OVERTON: Controversial One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts has told the High Court he, quote, ‘always felt Australian’ and wasn’t aware he was a British citizen when he nominated for Parliament.

    — Channel Nine News, 21 September, 2017

    After repeated declarations from Roberts that he was not a dual citizen when elected to the Senate, his lawyers admitted to the court that he was, over-ruling Roberts’ bizarre claim that he had never even been a Pom:

    EBONY CAVALLARO: When pushed on whether he thought he was a British citizen he [Malcolm Roberts] replied: ‘I’d want to be checking with my barrister before I answer that. But I accept that he says it.’

    — Channel Nine News, 21 September, 2017

    But what of the documents that Roberts showed to Sky’s Paul Murray, which supposedly proved the Senator had renounced the citizenship he claimed he’d never held? Which Murray had seen and pronounced to be:

    PAUL MURRAY: … a million per cent correct …

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 27 July, 2017

    What did the High Court make of them? Not much.

    As the ABC reported, the Senator had sent them to an email address that did not exist:

    His first email, titled "Am I still a British citizen", went to an address ending with the domain ".uksydney" …

    — ABC News, 21 September, 2017

    Stephen Lloyd, counsel assisting the court, then asked:

    "Have you ever seen any email address that ends with anything like ‘.uksydney'?"

    "No," Mr Roberts replied.

    — ABC News, 21 September, 2017

    So, despite Paul Murray’s boast that Roberts’ seat in the Senate was 1 million per cent secure, it was clear he’d soon be heading for the door.

    As Adam Gartrell reported in The Sydney Morning Herald:

    ADAM GARTRELL: Here are the "empirical" facts: Roberts was a citizen of Britain for the first five months of his Senate tenure … It is now virtually unthinkable the court will allow Senator Roberts to remain Senator Roberts.

    — Sydney Morning Herald, 22 September, 2017

    So, what did Murray have to say on his show that night about this remarkable reversal?

    Well there was no real mea culpa. Or apology.

    But it’s fair to say he appeared to be somewhat shocked by it all:

    PAUL MURRAY: The whole point was, and you know I copped it understandably because we weren’t sitting here showing documents, I was referring to things that I had seen, that’s fine I copped that. One leads with their chin, or their tummy in my case …

    But if one of the email addresses you were writing to is bouncing and it was just something you found on Google, it’s gonna be tough.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 21 September, 2017

    Tough? You can say that again.

    And Murray’s guests certainly did:

    DERRYN HINCH: I think the High Court has Malcolm for the high jump.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 21 September, 2017

    GARY HARDGRAVE: I think he’s for the high jump as well.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 21 September, 2017

    RITA PANAHI: I think everybody who has a cloud over them is in trouble.

    — Sky News, Paul Murray Live, 21 September, 2017

    And shortly afterwards on Sky, Murray’s colleague Chris Kenny, who never thought the Senator was safe, was in fits:

    CHRIS KENNY: The evidence here has been hilarious today. Malcolm Roberts seems to have no idea what was going on …

    It’s real dog ate my homework stuff.

    — Sky News, 21 September, 2017

    So, no surprise that the High Court took barely a day to make up its mind, that Malcolm Roberts was still a British citizen at the time of his election and will surely, come October, when the full court convenes, be just a common man again.

    Which must leave Paul Murray and his viewers wondering why on earth the Sky host ever fell for the Senator’s story. Which turns out to be 1 million per cent wrong.

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4740054.htm
     
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    That story makes it almost sound like opnionists don't thoroughly research their loud mouthed claims
     
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    Don't most of them say what their sponsored want them to say ?
     
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    Apparently next in line is Hanson''s sister.

    Or it could be the end of the One Nation list meaning Hanson can nominate anyone she wants - like Malcom Roberts.
     
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    lol
    As if Paul Murray doesn't already look like a goose
     
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    maybe gladiator style preselections, and party leadership you have to best the lions
     
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    A Hanson always pays their debts
     
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    The refugees are coming
     
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    Hmmmmm......


    Lawyers for former Greens senators Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam argued their resignations were the correct court of action, and claimed other politicians hanging on to their parliamentary positions were “wilfully blind”.

    “Ignorance or wilful blindness ought not excuse a person from the constraints of the constitution that would disqualify a more diligent or more perceptive candidate,” the submission says.

    “The referrals presently before the court fall into the category of ignorance or wilful blindness.”


    From Bazza's link above.
     
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    "Lawyers for former Greens senators Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam"

    Those horses have bolted. I can understand why a lawyer for the greens might have an interest in this - but those two? I understand why they might be kicking themselves a bit - but engaging lawyers to do this seems pointless.
     

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