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being cheated again.

shiznit

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:lol:

You wanna talk cheated... How about the fact the Warratahs got the week off and the home semi final despite finishing below the Highlanders on the table... :lol:

Great final next weekend....

It's always best when the top 2 teams of the regular season meet up in the final.
 

Parra

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Comp rules are comp rules. It's a conference system, not home & away.

Highlanders didn't need any help, nothing against them.

Will be a cracking final. Hurricanes should get it done.
 

skeepe

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Honestly it didn't matter who won, the Hurricanes will win and do it easily IMO.
 

Te Kaha

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Same prick. Same bias

and what actually happened...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-was-craig-joubert-really-the-16th-highlander

Referee Review: Was Craig Joubert really the 16th Highlander?
Saturday was a tough night for poor old Phil Kearns.
His beloved Waratahs were played off the park by the mighty Highlanders, and referee Craig Joubert, if Kearns is to be believed.
Last week we called out Justin Marshall for his commentary because of his lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. Other than a few laws that Marshall needs to brush up on, he is at least unbiased.
Referee Craig Joubert did little to earn fans across the Tasman in the Super Rugby semifinal in Sydney, but in review it appears his calls were mostly right.
Kearns on the other hand bleeds Waratahs blue, or at least green and gold, and he let it get the better of him in the commentary box on Saturday night.
Taking off the green and gold goggles, how did Joubert really do refereeing the Super Rugby semifinal in Sydney?
Aaron Smith try - 18th minute
At first sighting, you have to wonder how Highlanders halfback Aaron Smith could have intercepted the pass from the back of the scrum by Wycliff Palu if he wasn't offside.
On closer inspection, you realise just how quick Smith is off the mark.
When the ball left the scrum, Smith is behind the ball and clearly onside. Even when the ball hit Palu's hands, Smith was still onside, standing behind Waratahs halfback Nick Phipps.
Having read the play so well, Smith sprinted into the path of Palu's pass and took the ball the other way for a try.
Smith was clearly onside, and Joubert was right to award a try.
Richard Buckman try - 32nd minute
When Buckman attacked the line he somehow squirmed his way through three defenders while falling to ground.
He then jumps up, steps another defender and sprints home for a try.
The question is, was Buckman ever tackled?
According to the World Rugby law book, "a tackle occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more opponents and is brought to ground".
Further to that, "a ball carrier who is not held is not a tackled player and a tackle has not taken place".
Law 15.3 (a) states: "If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that player has been 'brought to ground'."
While Buckman was brought to the ground, when his knees come into contact with the turf the third tackler, Wycliff Palu, has just lost contact with Buckman - therefore Buckman was not held in the tackle.
Because he was not held when he went to ground, a tackle never took place and Buckman was free to jump to his feet and continue running.
Had Palu still been holding Buckman when his knee came to ground, Buckman would have had to release the ball before continuing towards the try line.
Again, Joubert made the right call when he said that Buckman was not held.
Patrick Osborne penalty try - 57th minute
This was the biggest call of the night with Joubert deciding to award the Highlanders a penalty try and yellow card Waratahs flanker Jacques Potgieter.
When Osborne gets within millimetres of the line, Potgieter swings his right forearm into Osborne's head during an attempted tackle.
To start, there is no doubting that Potgieter's tackle was a penalty.
He breaks two of the dangerous play and misconduct laws in the World Rugby law book.
Law 10.4 (e) Dangerous tackling states: "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent's neck or head is dangerous play."
It also states: "A 'stiff-arm tackle' is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff-arm to strike an opponent."
Tick and tick.
To award a penalty try, Joubert had to decide if a try would have "probably" been scored but for the offending.
When Osborne takes the forearm to his head, his goal of stretching for the line goes out the window. There's nothing like a forearm to the head to change your train of thought.
Joubert decided that had Potgieter not intervened, Osborne probably would have forced the ball over the line, and it's hard to argue with that.
Foul play leading to a penalty try is an instant yellow card, meaning Joubert nailed the call.
 
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Parra

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That is some very selective bullshit. Ignores several other incidents. Very convenient.

And totally wrong about the penalty try.

However, Highlanders still would've won anyway, so it hardly matters.

I can't recall any whinging at all about Buckman or the Smith try. Author is just making stuff up. Kearns is biased for sure, but he is supposed to be. Its like putting Wally Lewis in a commentary team for QLD. They add nothing of value.
 

Te Kaha

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That is some very selective bullshit. Ignores several other incidents. Very convenient.

And totally wrong about the penalty try.

However, Highlanders still would've won anyway, so it hardly matters.

I can't recall any whinging at all about Buckman or the Smith try. Author is just making stuff up. Kearns is biased for sure, but he is supposed to be. Its like putting Wally Lewis in a commentary team for QLD. They add nothing of value.

No its totally correct about the penalty try. Its a penalty anywhere on the field. If you take penalised player out of the equation would he have scored. simple answer is yes. therefore penalty try. and the LAWS STATE that a player giving away that penalty try has to be binned.
 

Parra

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I'm arguing that it wasn't a penalty at all. If it were anywhere else on the field it would not have been noticed or commented on. At all.
 

Te Kaha

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I'm arguing that it wasn't a penalty at all. If it were anywhere else on the field it would not have been noticed or commented on. At all.

Of course it was. A swinging arm to the face is a penalty anytime. it makes no difference whether he is standing up or 30cm from the ground. to put it into "World Rugby" speak... "The head is sacrosanct".
 

Parra

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It was nothing. Only reason it was looked at was it was right near the tryline.
 

Te Kaha

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It was nothing. Only reason it was looked at was it was right near the tryline.

It was clearly a penalty. He hit him with a swinging arm to the head. to say otherwise is being ridiculous.

And being a penalty in the act of scoring makes it a Penalty Try and a Sin Binning.
 

Parra

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Your understanding of "swinging arms" and use of the video review system aside, Craig Joubert is an assistant referee tonight so he could still take the opportunity to shine and f**k up the result.

Highlanders were very smart and disciplined in their game plan last week. Looking forward to this final.
 

Te Kaha

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Your understanding of "swinging arms" and use of the video review system aside, Craig Joubert is an assistant referee tonight so he could still take the opportunity to shine and f**k up the result.

Highlanders were very smart and disciplined in their game plan last week. Looking forward to this final.

My understanding being correct and all.
 

shiznit

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The part that makes me laugh about Parra's idiotic rant...

He complains about it being the same prick, same bias...

But he's bloody quick to forget he's the same ref who gave that dodgy game deciding penalty in last seasons final which won the Tah's the title...

The same ref who ended up having to apologise to the crusaders because after reviewing the game it became obvious he cost them a title.

But no mention of that at all aye Parra... :roll:
 
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Parra

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Don't know what you are talking about........


Just question Jouberts competence in general?

Interesting try there for the Highlanders. Glad it was awarded. Try everyday at normal speed. Doubt only came with the slow-mo.

Tight game.
 

Tigers1986

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Kearns had no problem cheering the same ref in last year's final with McCaw's penalty that led to the winning goal. Waratahs were completely outclassed and outplayed and penalty try or not they still would have lost the game.

Laughable that the fickle Waratahs supporters cry foul when something doesn't favour them but they relish it when it does favour them.
 

Parra

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Never seen Joubert apologise for all of his f**kups with the Wallabies or Waratahs. Does one thing in 10 years to annoy the Crusaders and feels the need to apologise. That says a lot.
 

elbusto

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The part that makes me laugh about Parra's idiotic rant...

He complains about it being the same prick, same bias...

But he's bloody quick to forget he's the same ref who gave that dodgy game deciding penalty in last seasons final which won the Tah's the title...

The same ref who ended up having to apologise to the crusaders because after reviewing the game it became obvious he cost them a title.

But no mention of that at all aye Parra... :roll:
Joubert apologised last year after the massive sooking that the Crusaders put on after being beaten by a better side. The Kiwis have a habit these days of applying massive pressure on refs post match after a loss. Its pathetic. ANd it isn't needed either. Last night demonstrated just how far ahead Kiwi Rugby is compared with any other country.

You buggers need to get the chip off your shoulder (and it is massive) and just enjoy the fact you play easily the best rugby in the world.

That game last night was a ripper and no other two teams from any other competition could have produced it.
 

Te Kaha

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Never seen Joubert apologise for all of his f**kups with the Wallabies or Waratahs. Does one thing in 10 years to annoy the Crusaders and feels the need to apologise. That says a lot.

Joubert apologised last year after the massive sooking that the Crusaders put on after being beaten by a better side. The Kiwis have a habit these days of applying massive pressure on refs post match after a loss. Its pathetic. ANd it isn't needed either. Last night demonstrated just how far ahead Kiwi Rugby is compared with any other country.

You buggers need to get the chip off your shoulder (and it is massive) and just enjoy the fact you play easily the best rugby in the world.

That game last night was a ripper and no other two teams from any other competition could have produced it.


No.. what is it with whining Australians???? The single ONLY reason Joubert apologised was that he was wrong.
 
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