Chinese power and influence around the world including Melbourne

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  1. t-ba

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    Croatia or North Korea?
     
  2. veggiepatch1959

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    South Sudan must be a shithole to live in as it has the world's lowest GDP by a fair margin.

    And a fair number of South Sudanese have landed on our shores over the years.
     
  3. Pete Cash

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    I would think its fair to say that it is right up there as worst place to live on earth.

    Nobody is saying that Iran is good. What we are saying is that detente with Iran is probably a good idea with a million caveats. If for no other reason that Shia Muslims aren't mowing us down with trucks.
     
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    China's Xi pledges $20 billion in loans to revive Middle East

    BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Xi Jinping on Tuesday pledged a package of $20 billion in loans, and about $106 million in financial aid, to Middle East nations, as part of what he called an “oil and gas plus” model to revive economic growth in the region.

    Beijing has ramped up engagement in the Middle East in recent years as Arab nations play an important role in Xi’s signature Belt and Road foreign policy plan for strong trade routes linking China with central and southeast Asia.

    Development was key to resolving many security problems in the Middle East, Xi told a gathering with representatives of 21 Arab nations in the Chinese capital.

    “We should treat each other frankly, not fear differences, not avoid problems, and have ample discussion on each aspect of foreign policy and development strategy,” he said.

    China would offer aid worth 100 million yuan ($15 million) to Palestine to support economic development, besides providing a further 600 million yuan ($91 million) to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen, he added.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-in-loans-to-revive-middle-east-idUSKBN1K0072
     
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    Great

    More cash to buy rockets and pay off terrorists with
     
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    Clever way to put these nations in hock. On what planet can war torn places like Yemen and Syria hope to service, let alone pay off a loan?

    I've been to Colombo, before the port was being developed and just a few months ago. The difference is amazing. Entire blocks given over to Chinese Labourers. The locals aren't seeing much benefit from this but I am certain some dudes in government have got their cut. And China got a port right on the throat of a potential future challenger!
     
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    It is called Chinese Imperialism.
     
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    1. Special Fried Rice
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  10. Surely

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    Numer 69 chicken and snow pea
     
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    Oh how do you know the money will go to buy rockets and pay off terrorists?
     
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    Yep, good watch, interesting stories. It has moved on from then, but I don't think in positive ways. As an expat I know how hard it is to absorb the local culture, but I think this is a particularly difficult challenge for people coming from the information bubble that is the mainland. It shows in tensions. Look at the clusterf**k that is the Tanzanian rail project.

    One of the big problems China is facing these days is with pliable democratically elected regimes getting booted. Oftentimes I hear racism as the reason for shit getting nuked by new administrations, but rather interestingly, it's the heavily Malaysian Chinese backed Pakatan Harapan has started cancelling infrastructure deals with the Mainland that were made by the largely Malay BANAS. It's an interesting dynamic. I can see this being the next step for Xi. ZhongNanHai will work hard to ensure democracy doesn't f**k shit up anymore.

    https://www.google.co.id/amp/s/amp....aysia-china-rail-project-suspended/index.html
     
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    China's new destroyers: 'Power, prestige and majesty'

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    'Weaponizing capital': US worries over China's expanding role in Africa


    The missile launchers can also carry weaponry to target incoming aircraft, enemy ships and missiles. Anti-submarine warfare operations are the responsibility of two helicopters aboard each Type 055.

    The new destroyers also boast a stealth design and high-end electronic battle management system to integrate Chinese aircraft carrier battle groups, the China Daily report said.

    "This ship ... is designed for escorting Chinese aircraft carriers to more distant regions such as the Middle East," said Heath.

    That would give China a so-called "blue water" navy, one that can operate far from homeland coasts, something that right now only the US Navy can do in overwhelming numbers across the world's oceans.

    "The PLA Navy is progressively building a particularly well-defined 'blue water' fleet that will be in place at a certain date," said Peter Layton, a former Australian military officer and now fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute.

    'The majesty of the Chinese state'

    But through the Type 055's sheer size, it can send a message in waters closer to the Chinese mainland too.

    "The Type 55As are big, very big," said Layton."The ships are a demonstration of the power, prestige and indeed majesty of the Chinese state and its ruling party," he added.
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    The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam is the closest US match to China's new Type 055A destroyers.

    China's new ships displace about 3,000 more tons than US or South Korea warships that have been the ones to look up to in Asian waters.

    In the South China Sea, the Type 055As will have a considerable size advantage over the US Navy's 10,000-ton Ticonderoga-class cruisers and 9,000-ton US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

    "The Type 55As handled aggressively they might be able to crowd US Navy ships out simply by their size," Layton said.

    In the optics test outside China, big is almost always better, he added.

    "It could be that China places more weight on naval diplomacy and thinks port visits from a very large warship will simply overawe the locals," Layton said.

    Back in China, the July 3 double launch made big statements about what the US and its Asian allies, and indeed the world, can expect from Beijing in the future.
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    Two Type 055 guided-missile destroyers take water at a shipyard on July 3, 2018 in Dalian, Liaoning Province of China. Type 055 is the newest generation of guided-missile destroyer in China. (Photo by VCG)

    The two Type 055s join two others put into the water in June, 2017, and April this year. Those ships came off a production line in Shanghai. The most recent two came off lines in Dalian, in Liaoning province, according to the China Daily.

    It "showcases the enormous capacity of Chinese shipbuilders," Heath said. "Most countries, including the United States, usually launch one ship at a time due to limited shipyard manufacturing capacity."

    Maintaining two simultaneous production lines for one model of ship, especially in the same shipyard, is pricey, showing Beijing ranks delivery schedule as more important that cost, Heath said.

    "China will pay whatever it takes to get them finished to a specified deadline," he added.


    Matching the US Navy
    Beijing will pay whatever it takes to stand toe-to-toe with the US Navy, said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center.
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    He said he expects China to build around 20 of the high-end Type 055s and augment them with smaller Type 054 frigates and aircraft carriers in service or under construction to field four carrier battle groups by 2030.

    Other shipbuilding is under way for amphibious assault ships -- essentially baby aircraft carriers -- and helicopter platform docks that can move and deploy Marine ground battalions, said Schuster, now a Hawaii Pacific University professor.

    And China has been leaking through state media that it's working on things like an electromagnetic pulse cannon, hypersonic aircraft and the most modern of launching systems for its aircraft carriers, he said.
    "China is indeed sending the signal that it is both expanding the PLA Navy and equipping it with modern naval combatants equal to that of the US Navy," Schuster said.

    The China Daily report said the two Type 55As launched on July 3 would soon begin sea trials, where crew and engineers will make sure everything works as planned.

    Those trials have yet to be completed for the two previously launched Type 055s and no estimation was given on when they might actually be ready to be commissioned and join a carrier battle group.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/asia/china-new-destroyers-intl/index.html
     

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    Forget the ports they are buying all the pubs!
     
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    I'm hungry.
     
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    Has anyone told the Chinese that battleships went out with the copper boiler
     
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    Lol

    On a more serious note I think the Government really should look into some kind of reciprocity law when it comes to owning businesses and property in Australia, blocking nationals and corporations from countries that don't afford Australians thr same privilege on their own turf, and should also prohibit foreign SOE's from purchasing key infrastructure and industries here.

    But that's me being paranoid probably.
     
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