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Darren Nicholls

Carlton

Juniors
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totally agree but WIDDOP had no chance to shine the opposition knew WHO WAS GETTING THE BALL and he was very easily shut down .BLAME THE 3 STOOGES.

Of course the opposition knew the "playmaker" was getting the ball, its the same for every team. But, he didn't get it any more often than JT or Cronk or Morgan etc in fact one of the problems was he was leaving the direction of the team to McCrone too much.

McInnes has been copping crap for not running enough but the forwards still made some of the most metres in the league and he gave clean ball to his halves. On top of this he made more than 100 tackles more than the next best overall in the entire comp. Should he be allowed to be a bit more creative, yes for sure. He was not the problem he was not holding up the ball ala Farah and was playing a real team game.
 

Saint_JimmyG

First Grade
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I believe it is purely the result of Mary INSTRUCTING McInnes to tackle.. and simply pass the ball from dummy half.

Do not run or I will replace you....

Exactly the same as dumb Hasler instructed Lichha all year.... and almost cost him his spot, until Hasler was sacked and Lichha signed up again.

It must be terrible to play for a coach who has no idea.

Hasler sacked.
Madge sacked.
Henry sacked.

None of our players are at fault.
It's the coaching.

Fair point.

Havili never a good opportunity because of McGregor's ineptitude.

Still not a fan of McIness though.
 

ouryear

Juniors
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780
Fair point.

Havili never a good opportunity because of McGregor's ineptitude.

Still not a fan of McIness though.

Interesting analysis below.

Andrew Ferguson.
Email me at:
aferguson@rugbyleagueproject.org
Wednesday, 17 May 2017
Solving the Blues #9 Conundrum (2017)

Since the morning after Origin 3 in 2016 it seems the media has been obsessing about who will be the hooker should be for the New South Wales side in 2017.

Robbie Farah is the incumbent rake, with plenty of statements at the start of the year from coach Laurie Daley that he’s inclined to stick with him. But naturally as the season has rolled on, plenty of others have put their hand up with strong claims of unseating Farah.

So with plenty of options on the table coupled with Daley softening his stance on Farah, what’s needed is some facts as opposed to the usual biased back and forth. This article is working entirely on statistical data obtained from the official NRL website and with a simple calculation based on ranking from best to worst in each field, I have been able to calculate who the most consistent and best candidate is to pull on the sky blue.

Naturally there will be arguments to be made that some statistical fields are more important than others, but the purpose of this exercise is to find the most complete and consistent player in all fields.

Added to the list of Blues candidates is Australian and Maroons hooker Cameron Smith, to show where the Blues options rank in comparison.

NSW Candidates
Robbie Farah (Souths and incumbent NSW Origin hooker)
Jayden Brailey (Cronulla)
Damian Cook (Souths)
Apisai Koroisau (Manly)
Michael Lichha (Canterbury)
Cameron McInnes (Dragons)
Nathan Peats (Gold Coast)
Kaysa Pritchard (Parramatta)
Peter Wallace (Penrith)

Runs and metres
Cameron Smith averages 9 runs per game, which is vastly higher than all of the Blues. Cook and Koroisau both average 5.4, with Farah at 5.1. Naturally Smith has made more metres, averaging 57.4 per game, however Koroisau is not far behind, gaining 53.6 per game, which is impressive given he runs the ball considerably less. Michael Lichha has 4.4 runs for 48.9 metres per game, making him the only player averaging more than 10 metres per run. Metres per run is the only field where Cameron Smith is beaten by all the NSW Players.

Line and Tackle Breaks
Koroisau leads the field for line breaks, picking up 3 in his 10 games so far. McInnes has 2 from as many games. Smith, Lichaa, Farah and Peats have all yet to register a line break yet this year. Koroisau is also top of the class for tackle breaks, racking up 15 so far, one clear of McInnes and 6 in front of Smith.

Line Break and Try Assists
Despite playing just 4 games, Nathan Peats averages 0.75 Line break assists per game which is the best of the lot. Second is Smith and Farah, who both average 0.6 per game. Peats is also the best when it comes to try assists, averaging a neat 1 per game while Farah and McInnes are second with 0.5 per game. Smith comes next with 0.3.

Offloads
Cook is well clear of the field in this category, averaging 1.1 per game, while Farah, Pritchard and Wallace are all tied for second with 0.6 per game.

Defence
McInnes is the best tackler here, making more tackles and missing less than everybody else. He has made 437 and missed just 6, at a rate of 98.65%. Farah is next at 97.21% while Smith runs fourth at 96.21%

Discipline
Koroisau, Farah and Brailey are the least penalised players on average, giving away 0.4 penalties each per game. Smith averages 0.6. Ball handling is quite good amongst all, with everyone under 1 turnover per game. McInnes and Cook have had just 1 error each while Smith has had 5.

There are 12 fields all up and each field is converted to an average per game. The best in each field scores 1 point, second best gets 2 points etc. The player with the lowest total across all twelve ranks is deemed the best.

There is just three points difference between the top 5 players, which shows just how close this is.

Cameron Smith came out on top with 48 points.
Apisai Koroisau and Cameron McInnes were equal second on 49 points.
Robbie Farah and Damien Cook were next best, both tied on 51 points.
Michael Lichaa had 61, Kaysa Pritchard 73, Jayden Brailey and Peter Wallace were tied on 77 and Nathan Peats had 81 points

So a countback is required.

McInnes has ranked first in two fields and never ranked last, while Koroisau ranked first in three fields and last twice. McInnes therefore is more consistent and would thus be ranked as the Number 1 hooker for NSW.

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giboz71

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Origin showed that a hooker who simply passes and tackles won’t get it done. Peats plays a lot like McInnes and Jake Friend in his early years. Hookers need to do more. Hence Cam Smith is just off the charts better than anyone else due to his creativity and smarts. Hodgson turned the Raiders into contenders with his phenomenal year in 2016 such is the impact of a good hooker. And it’s why a half like Ben Hunt got chosen as Smith’s deputy as he is the only one that comes close to his smarts.

Could be that Mary instructs McInnes just to pass and tackle. No one really knows. Perhaps McInnes will always just be a tackling machine which explains why Souths let him go in favour of Farah and Cook.

I rate McInnes but I still think that hooker like many other positions is not a locked down spot for us to be premiership contenders.
 

Crush

Coach
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I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a go as back up hooker late in each half .might just inject something to the game plan.
Geez Kurt Mann gets a lot time on this forum.
I reckon he's OK. Played some good games, played some bad ones.
Everyone has an opinion of where he should play. You reckon back up hooker, CC reckons 5/8, some think fullback, I think winger, Mary thinks utility.
Kurt Mann certainly gets the conversation flowing doesn't he!?
 

watatank

Coach
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regarding that article re: hooker, it'd be interesting to see how the stats/rankings held up at the end of 2017 rather than around Origin time
 

Overseas dragon

Juniors
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Geez Kurt Mann gets a lot time on this forum.
I reckon he's OK. Played some good games, played some bad ones.
Everyone has an opinion of where he should play. You reckon back up hooker, CC reckons 5/8, some think fullback, I think winger, Mary thinks utility.
Kurt Mann certainly gets the conversation flowing doesn't he!?
I'm sure if he was left in one position for a season everyone would have a better idea about his best position .currently playing musical chairs with Mary does not help his position in the team.certainly don't disagree with him playing winger Crush ,move over Mcdonald.if mary has him covering injury on the bench that's why I suggested back up hooker.
 

possm

Coach
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I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a go as back up hooker late in each half .might just inject something to the game plan.
I'm hoping Mann will get the left wing spot and be used less as a utility in 2018. Maybe it's Field's turn to be the utility.

From the left wing position, Mann can pop up in centre field, take a run from dummy half or simply back up the forwards if allowed to by the coach. The defensive load required of a hooker these days would lessen Mann's impact rather than enhance it.

If a hooker rotation is required in 2018, surely it would be a Robson/McInnes rotation however, if McInnes is again to play a 80 min role, then I would be going for a bench of four forwards and include Leilua as the fourth forward on the bench. If we are lucky enough to land Wamsley, a Vaughan, Graham, Wamsley, Ah Mau prop rotation would be superior to any prop rotation in the 2018 competition.
 

mickeylane

Bench
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Highly unlikely we'll ever see Nichols in firsts, which is as it should be. Cutters player to replace those we let go.
dont be surprised to see Widdop at FB if Dufty doesnt work out early on then theres a 5/8 spot open
 
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