Elon Musk and Mars

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  1. Diesel

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  2. mave

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    3.5 years, or it's free.
     
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    He is a billionaire but also a deadset f**kwit.
     
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    Hahaha
    Isn't he the anti fossil fuels guy

    Hahahhaa
     
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  5. Danish

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    He’s becoming a bit of a snake oil salesman as the years go by with some of the claims he makes.

    The hyperloop is pointless, and the mars stuff is just pure fantasy. His promise of rocket flights anywhere in the world in under 60 mins are also quite ridiculous.

    It’s nice to have people thinking big though, even if they don’t always deliver. I much prefer a billionaire who spends his money on outlandish tech projects than just sticking it in the bank
     
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    Seems too ambitious. At least he isn't a scam like that MarsOne bullshit.
     
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    Exactly.

    It will end up with no mars trip.... but a viable reusable rocket system that space agencies can use for going the moon or something.

    Until a rocket is as safe as a car, there is absolutely no chance any company will be able to take on the legal risk of sending regular passengers into space
     
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    So far Musk has delivered some amazing results. Reusing launch vehicles for rockets is revolutionary. Achieving what he has with Tesla is impressive.
     
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    Tesla will either go broke or be bought out by one of the big guys. Simply i not up to the level of quality control and mass manufacturing that is needed for an automotive company (look up the amount of recalls they've had on the Model S and Model X. Its insane).

    The Model 3 is make of break for them.

    The reusable rocket is definitely awesome. It's hardly his idea though, nor was SpaceX the first company to launch one.

    He's still a hell of a lot better than guys like Richard Branson though, who've killed people with their hubris when it comes to space travel
     
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    Tell me, what is impressive about Tesla?

    Not the theory but the real world figures.

    Numbers produced, profit per vehicle, recall ratio, practicality of distance travel etc.
     
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    The fact that he did it. To start a car company from scratch and produce and sell quality cars is impressive. Not prototypes, not vision and lobbying. The guy gets out there and does things.

    When he sees a problem he doesn't whinge or agitate for others to do something. He does it. And then he moves on.
     
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    The Model S was revolutionary in terms of its range, power, luxurious appointments, the whole package. Tesla set the bar for electric vehicles.

    There aren't too many people who've been able to start a car company from scratch this century either.
     
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    But that is Tesla PR bullshit - what is the percentage of Tesla sales to overall total sales of motor vehicles.

    What was the Tesla recall rate to the overall recall rate?

    Have they solved the distance travel problem without plugging in to coal fuelled electricity.

    What is the profit per vehicle? What is the price comparison to a similar standard petrol vehicle.

    To me the guy is the snake oil salesman of the 21st century - Mars by 2022, reusable rockets - where are they.

    SA is building battery, deisel fuelled back up power stations to solve the possible energy shortage - real enviromental - not. But he and the SA government will try to sell it to the voting plebs.
     
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    Again PR bullshit, if you start up a car manufaturing company you start one - not the man is a god for doing so.

    Tell us the theory of the model S and yet us see if it lives up to real world expectations.

    Like Ford's claim to mass produce electric fleet vehicles within 5-7 years - just yetter crap.
     
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    Name another car company that has successfully launched this century? It’s f**king hard to do and is an incredible achievement, and that’s before even going into the all electric side of it.

    By all reports/road tests the model S is a great car to own/drive. The only complaints seem to be that they are a little lacking in character, and have had a lot of recalls relative to other luxury makers.

    With Ford, what’s the doubt in them being able to mass produce electric vehiles? It’s hardly revolutionary tech, it would be easy for them to do. Biggest problem still is time to recharge. Hard to see how they’ll get around that issue for people that need long range travel, but city commuters could comfortably use an EV today and not have an issue
     
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    Read my post please - I said yeah he is the only dude to commence a car maufacturing company but it doesn't answer the other questions/queries raised.

    And Ford said fleet vehicles - long range. Ford has learnt the Musk/Branson PR style - quote high, deliver low.
     
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    So how about interstellar travel?

    I want to meet aliens from distant galaxies.
     
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    You just want to meet all the transgender ETs out there.:p
     
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    Or fly to Thailand, cheaper.
     
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    He looked at the prohibitive cost of satellite launches snd space travel. It was clear that the cost was tied to one-use launch vehicles. He was told that reusable launch vehicles wete a pipe dream. He put a team together and set a target. He achieved it. Reusable launch rockets are now a reality. He is no bullshit artist. His strength is that he executes. He does stuff.

    It is incredible that he has got Tesla vehicles up ang going. Yes, there are many more challenges than he envisaged and they are ongoing. There will always be challenges. So what. To focus on shortcomings misses the point of what has been achieved.
     

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