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Souths Till I Die

First Grade
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I feel there is a development issue at Souths, we just don't seem to see any progress in players that play here.
I don't expect them all to turn into stars but how many players who had good first years at senior level have gone on to the next step?
AR has plateau'd after a season or two, Cam had to move away before showing improvement, AJ has if anything gone backwards.
Something is stunting the development of our players and the clubs needs to discover what it is before we fall further behind the pack

Our juniors/reserve grade teams are a mess as well. The talent we have coming through is no where near as promising as teams like the cowboys, storm, eels have coming through.
 

callmack1

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AJ has regressed,a lot------why is this so?? He was an International 2 yrs ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I honestly have no idea. Two years ago, like you say he played for Aus. He was also regarded as a "GI Clone."
 

greg jay

Juniors
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409
I do hear you Greg and agree wholeheartedly in regards to the output of Inglis and the twins.
Unfortunately we are not in the NFL and it's not as easy to move somebody along who's not performing to their worth.

We can take a lot from the NFL But remember we have a salary cap. The NFL doesn't. And the way players are contracted is different.
It's probably a lot easier to find a new home for a player in a 53 man roster in one of 30 teams than finding a player a home in the NRL.
Players also have to want to be moved on if they are going elsewhere and then you can be still paying somebody to play against you like the tigers are.

There must also be some other poor judges of talent out there that chose some of the up and comers in Rep teams and under 20's teams of the year etc.

Not all these players make the transition to 1st grade as we know. But you not going to know unless you give them a crack.
Maybe we've just been unlucky to pick a bunch that are not going to go to the next level.
SORRY!! The NFL HAS A MAJOR SALARY CAP. IT IS STRICTLY ENFORCED. NO TAMPERING WITH COACHES OR PLAYERS STILL UNDER CONTRACT. Please do some homework. Salary Cap numbers in relation to actual output are CRUCIAL in determining what players to CUT. The difference is cutting players in The NFL clubs must carry dead money i.e still paying a player who was cut after June a deadline months which changes how much dead money that player must be paid even though he is no longer on The Roster. This applies only in some circumstances for the NRL I believe.
 

greg jay

Juniors
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What you say is very true.

The players are super-controlled,over programmed & reined in to the extent that their natural instincts are geniused.
Keary's cancer was removed & he is now playing his natural game. He is more relaxed within an environment that allows freedom of expression. He didn't enjoy this under Maguire. McInnes too seems more at home away from his Jnr club which is a crying shame!
We probably haven't ever seen the real AR either. What's his name--ADAM ROBOT!!

AJ has regressed,a lot------why is this so?? He was an International 2 yrs ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good point. The one CONSTANT here is obviously Maguire. How many young players has he actually developed into good starters??? Fact is Maguire inherited a loaded roster - Luke Dave Taylor Burgess Brothers Inglis Walker Reynolds Lima Keary Johnson then Teo'o etc etc . He has since decimated that roster and signed on to big name players with dwindling production. How on earth has Maguire lost TWO YOUNG STARTING CENTRES strong fast athletic men a threat to score from anywhere on the park... HOW DID HE LOSE BOTH THESE STUDS????
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
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Good point. The one CONSTANT here is obviously Maguire. How many young players has he actually developed into good starters??? Fact is Maguire inherited a loaded roster - Luke Dave Taylor Burgess Brothers Inglis Walker Reynolds Lima Keary Johnson then Teo'o etc etc . He has since decimated that roster and signed on to big name players with dwindling production. How on earth has Maguire lost TWO YOUNG STARTING CENTRES strong fast athletic men a threat to score from anywhere on the park... HOW DID HE LOSE BOTH THESE STUDS????

Burgess twins both made their nrl debuts under maguire and made their test debuts under his coaching.

Reynolds made his debut under maguire and made origin under his coaching

Johnston and walker were given their debut under maguire and made test football under his coaching.

Dave taylor made his test debut under maguire.

Keary was one of madges

Lima and Teo were maguire recruits.

Just look at our Grand final team.

Inglis- came to us a centre, maguire turned him into the best fullback in the game

Johnston- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Auva'a- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Walker- maguire gave him his debut in 2013

Tuquiri- maguire recruited him after his failed stint in Irish rugby

Keary- maguire debuted him in 2013

Reynolds- maguire debuted him in 2012

Tyrrell- maguire got him playing his best football

Korisau- maguire debuted him in 2014. He covered for Luke who played his best football under maguire

G. Burgess- maguire debuted him in 2012

Sutton- made the origin extended bench in 2013 under maguires coaching

Teo- recruited by maguire

S. Burgess- recruited by crowe

Turner- debuted by maguire in 2014

Mcqueen- was a reserve grade winger until maguire came. Became an origin 2nd rower under maguire

T.Burgess- recruited by maguire- debuted in 2013

Clark- played his best football under maguire

So to say Maguire inherited a gun team is pretty wrong, especially considering we only played finals once in the 22 years before maguire became coach
 

Robyne Glover

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Burgess twins both made their nrl debuts under maguire and made their test debuts under his coaching.

Reynolds made his debut under maguire and made origin under his coaching

Johnston and walker were given their debut under maguire and made test football under his coaching.

Dave taylor made his test debut under maguire.

Keary was one of madges

Lima and Teo were maguire recruits.

Just look at our Grand final team.

Inglis- came to us a centre, maguire turned him into the best fullback in the game

Johnston- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Auva'a- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Walker- maguire gave him his debut in 2013

Tuquiri- maguire recruited him after his failed stint in Irish rugby

Keary- maguire debuted him in 2013

Reynolds- maguire debuted him in 2012

Tyrrell- maguire got him playing his best football

Korisau- maguire debuted him in 2014. He covered for Luke who played his best football under maguire

G. Burgess- maguire debuted him in 2012

Sutton- made the origin extended bench in 2013 under maguires coaching

Teo- recruited by maguire

S. Burgess- recruited by crowe

Turner- debuted by maguire in 2014

Mcqueen- was a reserve grade winger until maguire came. Became an origin 2nd rower under maguire

T.Burgess- recruited by maguire- debuted in 2013

Clark- played his best football under maguire

So to say Maguire inherited a gun team is pretty wrong, especially considering we only played finals once in the 22 years before maguire became coach
Burgess twins both made their nrl debuts under maguire and made their test debuts under his coaching.

Reynolds made his debut under maguire and made origin under his coaching

Johnston and walker were given their debut under maguire and made test football under his coaching.

Dave taylor made his test debut under maguire.

Keary was one of madges

Lima and Teo were maguire recruits.

Just look at our Grand final team.

Inglis- came to us a centre, maguire turned him into the best fullback in the game

Johnston- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Auva'a- maguire gave him his debut in 2014

Walker- maguire gave him his debut in 2013

Tuquiri- maguire recruited him after his failed stint in Irish rugby

Keary- maguire debuted him in 2013

Reynolds- maguire debuted him in 2012

Tyrrell- maguire got him playing his best football

Korisau- maguire debuted him in 2014. He covered for Luke who played his best football under maguire

G. Burgess- maguire debuted him in 2012

Sutton- made the origin extended bench in 2013 under maguires coaching

Teo- recruited by maguire

S. Burgess- recruited by crowe

Turner- debuted by maguire in 2014

Mcqueen- was a reserve grade winger until maguire came. Became an origin 2nd rower under maguire

T.Burgess- recruited by maguire- debuted in 2013

Clark- played his best football under maguire

So to say Maguire inherited a gun team is pretty wrong, especially considering we only played finals once in the 22 years before maguire became coach
 

foreverinourshadow

First Grade
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aj is very ordinary without the 2014 squad he is average at best but bring back our 2014 squad today and aj looks like a top 1st grade player FACTAFUGGINMUNDO!!!!.....Shadow...
 

Rabbits20

Immortal
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It is time for the club to come clean on what the plan is for Souths to achieve success. We can not as fans continue to accept this inactivity towards our future, we watch each day as other clubs snap up talent and no comments as to why we are not active in that space.

We members deserve better and we have invested both financially and emotionally to the club, it is time for the club to show its appreciation with more than social outings. I call on Souths to show more respect and include us, your investors in understanding what the vision for success is as it is not clear to us now.

The team including the coaches of all grades need to be held accountable to the members for their performance, no more excuses we need to see results.
See another negative post!!!!!!!

Double standards from some on here and bullying is starting to happen!!!!!!!
 

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