For surely...hitler speech applauded by leftists...amusing

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  1. Bandwagon

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    Yet again you ignore that totalitarianism is a product of both the left and the right, it's simply the most extreme of each. That both Fascist and Communist regimes have ended up as basically totalitarian regimes in the past, thus making them appear similar in many ways, does not make fascism and communism the same thing.
     
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    Are we talking about the new use of the word "fascism" ?
    ie something a leftist disagrees with

    Or are you talking about socialism as in the national socialist type?
     
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    Fascism in the historical sense Millers, we are quite clearly dealing here with history.
     
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    Perhaps we could start with...........

    fascism
    ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
    noun
    1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
      synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More

    socialism
    ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/
    noun
    1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
      synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfaris
     
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    Now despite whatever Hitler decided to name his party, which of the above definitions more aptly describes his regime?
     
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    The old saying "you can not judge a book by it's cover " springs to mind.
     
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    Hitler didn't name his party ;)
     
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    Well certainly the national socialists indulged in social engineering and strict controls of industrial activities
    In that respect they were truly socialist
    The death rate was comparable to other hard left regimes as was the usual hard left crackdown on free speech and opposition
    All the hard left characteristics were present in both rhetoric and actions
     
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    Hitler and the Third Reich was as much a Socialist regime as Kim Jong-Un is popularly elected in the "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea.
     
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    lots of similarities between hitler and jongun
     
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    That's right neither had trade unions.

    You don't have unions when the state sets wages and prices.
     
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    Fascism is called a conservative revolution for lots of reasons but one of them is the use of big business and rejection of class consciousness.

    It was only in the late 19th century where "the right" became linked with capitalism. Indeed the original right was about supporting a monarchy. So capitalism is not an inherent part of right wing politics.

    If one looks at all the movements in history that could be called right wing such as the radical right, fascism, monarchy, the neo liberal right, etc the common theme is a belief that social or economic inequality is desirable.

    Also it tends to be reactionary against the left.

    You need to look at hitler and the nazis as a product of their times. Not think well they sure werent neo liberals and as im an ignorant irishman that is all i need to know. Fiddy dee

    Hitler didnt even think economics was especially important. Most of his ministers for economics were capitalists like hjalmar schacht
     
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    yes
    various strains of socialism were quite popular in the europe of the day among them the national socialists with their 'evil capitalists' waffle which is still in vogue with the left today
    except the 'jews' were the eventual target as opposed to miners and banks of today
     
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    A significant chunk of the nazis were capitalists. Indeed Hitlers ministers for economics include a guy who was a chairman at Krupp steel, a director for allianz insurance and an influential banker

    Most of the nazi "left" was kicked out the party or killed by the mid 30s. A good amount of those killed in the night of the long knives for example were members of the parties left
     
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    The Pope or the Dali Lama?

     
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    The party name had 'socialist' in it so all members must be hard line socialists
    This is like the Australian Liberal party where all of its members hold very liberal views
     
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    Hardly the point, though is it.
     
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    As was communism, yet strangely Hitler wasn't a fan of the Bolsheviks, or any other Jews for that matter.
     
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    Fascism was fairly well regarded by the industrialists of the time, state control of labour meant the eradication of those pesky unions, and holding the state above all else including the individual meant plenty of cheap , obedient labour.
     
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    Yeah they loved it production and price control overseen by shop managers
     

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