The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

it was the numb of games not sold out
now its the % of tickets sold

again
60K is not big enough for the premier venue in our sport in that sports biggest city

You brought up Suncorp.

And your second statement means nothing without backing it up as to why. They don't build stadiums because of platitudes, what's the key indicators as to why 60k is too low? (Other than price of tickets to a few events)

 

[Raiderdave]

TBH I used to think we needed a massive venue but there simply hasn't been growth in crowds to demand it.

We have 2 matches a year that draw above 60k.

Even if you include other sports it's probably only 4 matches.

Sydney just isn't a huge sports town like Melbourne.

its the venue & location & ease of access to the venue as much as its the city
Sydney will never be melbourne ..
but we can average 30K crowds at ANZ for club matches in a better venue
50 to 60 for big finals
& sellouts for origins & the GF at 72K

a 60K capacity venue for rectangle sports in Sydney is a retrograde thinking move

 

[Raiderdave]

You brought up Suncorp.

And your second statement means nothing without backing it up as to why. They don't build stadiums because of platitudes, what's the key indicators as to why 60k is too low?

you brought up the number of times ANZ isn't sold out

a stupid argument ....

 

[herbert henry1908]

you brought up the number of times ANZ isn't sold out

a stupid argument ....

Why is that a stupid argument?

I would've thought at looking at the potential size of a stadium, how many times it sells out is very relevant.

It's basic cost/benefit analysis.

 

[herbert henry1908]

its the venue & location & ease of access to the venue as much as its the city
Sydney will never be melbourne ..
but we can average 30K crowds at ANZ for club matches in a better venue
50 to 60 for big finals
& sellouts for origins & the GF at 72K

a 60K capacity venue for rectangle sports in Sydney is a retrograde thinking move

We need to be realistic about the increase in crowds new stadia will bring us.

Brisbane & Melbourne got increases of between 15-20% with their new rectangular stadiums, I think that's about where we'll sit.

At their peak dogs & bunnies have averages around 20k @ ANZ, so perhaps we will see crowds of around 25k, but importantly that's only when those clubs are traveling well.

 

[Raiderdave]

how many times has ANZ had crowds above 60K in the last 18 years
itd be heaps
well in excess of 40 for RL alone ... most of those over 80K

if we're basing making it considerably smaller based on ...... the crowds we get to club games & nothing else
then the MCG is too big for Melb as its premier venue
more then half the crowds at the MCG are under 50% of its capacity , some well under that

 

[Raiderdave]

Why is that a stupid argument?

I would've thought at looking at the potential size of a stadium, how many times it sells out is very relevant.

It's basic cost/benefit analysis.

the MCG sells out once a year , for its GF
sometimes gets close for its ANZAC game

ANZ always once a year , usually twice every 2 years ... for Origin / & a GF
& it can be 3 times for a decider in that mix if Sydney gets 2 origins & the GF

so no its irelevant the numb of times it sells out

 

[herbert henry1908]

the MCG sells out once a year , for its GF
sometimes gets close for its ANZAC game

ANZ always once a year , usually twice every 2 years ... for Origin / & a GF
& it can be 3 times for a decider in that mix if Sydney gets 2 origins & the GF

so no its irelevant the numb of times it sells out

It's not just the sell out that's totally relevant it's the percentage of tickets sold.

The issue at ANZ is there's very few games in the middle ground of 40-60k.

The MCG has a huge amount of games in the 50-70k range, ie growth to the 70-90k range is realistic. It's simply not so for the NRL.

The growth range for the NRL is games in the 35-55k mark, we have hardly any of them. Perhaps 2-3 games in Sydney.

The AFL had 21 games between 50-90k crowds.

 

[Raiderdave]

It's not just the sell out that's totally relevant it's the percentage of tickets sold.

The issue at ANZ is there's very few games in the middle ground of 40-60k.

The MCG has a huge amount of games in the 50-70k range, ie growth to the 70-90k range is realistic. It's simply not so for the NRL.

The growth range for the NRL is games in the 35-55k mark, we have hardly any of them. Perhaps 2-3 games in Sydney.

The AFL had 21 games between 50-90k crowds.

at least 45 games have exceeded 60K at ANZ for RL alone since it was built
well over a million people would not have been able to attend games there if the builders of the stadium had had your short sighted retrograde ideas back in the mid 90's

nope
60k is simply ... too small

 

[El Diablo]

The AFL had 21 games between 50-90k crowds.

they also sodomise each other in the boggers

should NRL fans start doing that?

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...p/news-story/158099512a1e944bfd5c2029c02460d4

MOUNTAIN OF CONCERN

THERE is growing concern within government ranks about sports minister Stuart Ayres and his latest moves to get funding for his powerful eastern suburbs mates for a major stadium at Moore Park, which local residents don’t want a bar of.

It’s why inflated figures are being leaked for the cost of an ANZ Stadium rebuild.

This is a big issue for Premier Gladys Berejiklian before the early 2019 election in that one of her own ministers is trying to undermine plans for a world-class facility in the western suburbs and Sydney’s sporting heartland.

 

[Jamberoo]

The key to crowd growth is having stadiums that people like that are easy to get to. The first year when Port Adelaide moved from a 55k stadium in the suburbs to a 51k stadium in the city, their crowds doubled. Hence the great crowd there today.
In Melbourne the MCG clubs average 50k. The clubs here that chose the unpopular Docklands average 30k.
The vibe in the streets, bars, pub for an MCG game or Storm game at AAMI (next to MCG and so easy to get to) is sensational.
If they get it right, massive crowd growth is possible.
From the point of view of a visitor, Moore Park is a 100 times better location than Homebush.
If Moore Park was as good as Adelaide Oval or MCG and held 40k surely people would go.
Does anybody have the answer?

 

[GAZF]

The key to crowd growth is having stadiums that people like that are easy to get to. The first year when Port Adelaide moved from a 55k stadium in the suburbs to a 51k stadium in the city, their crowds doubled. Hence the great crowd there today.
In Melbourne the MCG clubs average 50k. The clubs here that chose the unpopular Docklands average 30k.
The vibe in the streets, bars, pub for an MCG game or Storm game at AAMI (next to MCG and so easy to get to) is sensational.
If they get it right, massive crowd growth is possible.
From the point of view of a visitor, Moore Park is a 100 times better location than Homebush.
If Moore Park was as good as Adelaide Oval or MCG and held 40k surely people would go.
Does anybody have the answer?

Moore Park is easier to get to if you live/work near the city or from the airport. A huge proportion of those people don't care about league. Moving the best stadium east is a kick in the teeth for the larger fanbase in the west and would benefit corporates the most.

 

[El Diablo]

Ayres mate Tony Shepherd is probably trying to get it moved seeing it benefits him in two ways

1. he's the chairman of the SCG Trust
2. he's the chairman of GWS

the last thing he'd want is more Rugby League games at a you beaut rectangular stadium in the west

Ayres has already done him favours to help out GWS

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/westconne...r-gws-giants-sponsorship-20170405-gvec1b.html

 

[herbert henry1908]

The key to crowd growth is having stadiums that people like that are easy to get to. The first year when Port Adelaide moved from a 55k stadium in the suburbs to a 51k stadium in the city, their crowds doubled. Hence the great crowd there today.
In Melbourne the MCG clubs average 50k. The clubs here that chose the unpopular Docklands average 30k.
The vibe in the streets, bars, pub for an MCG game or Storm game at AAMI (next to MCG and so easy to get to) is sensational.
If they get it right, massive crowd growth is possible.
From the point of view of a visitor, Moore Park is a 100 times better location than Homebush.
If Moore Park was as good as Adelaide Oval or MCG and held 40k surely people would go.
Does anybody have the answer?

Except Sydney geography is nothing like that of Melbourne or Adelaide.

Ideally yes a stadium with bars, clubs & restaurants surrounding it is ideal but Moore park is a hell of a long way to get to for most rugby league fans.

 

[herbert henry1908]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...p/news-story/158099512a1e944bfd5c2029c02460d4

MOUNTAIN OF CONCERN

THERE is growing concern within government ranks about sports minister Stuart Ayres and his latest moves to get funding for his powerful eastern suburbs mates for a major stadium at Moore Park, which local residents don’t want a bar of.

It’s why inflated figures are being leaked for the cost of an ANZ Stadium rebuild.

This is a big issue for Premier Gladys Berejiklian before the early 2019 election in that one of her own ministers is trying to undermine plans for a world-class facility in the western suburbs and Sydney’s sporting heartland.

This is why I'm confident ANZ will still happen. Western Sydney is so vital for the 2019 election.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Moore Park is easier to get to if you live/work near the city or from the airport. A huge proportion of those people don't care about league. Moving the best stadium east is a kick in the teeth for the larger fanbase in the west and would benefit corporates the most.

Yes I saw some data from the NRL on where they sold tickets for the second origin, it was virtually non existent from the CBD & east.

This is why the clubs fought so hard against the Moore park stadium, they know their fan base.

Hell even the tenants of Moore park were against a completely new stadium.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Except Sydney geography is nothing like that of Melbourne or Adelaide.

Ideally yes a stadium with bars, clubs & restaurants surrounding it is ideal but Moore park is a hell of a long way to get to for most rugby league fans.

I always find it funny when people say stuff like this. Its like wen people say Sydney and Brisbane are different; Brisbane is a unified city and only needs 1 team where as Sydney is tribal and needs 9...

Its not actually based on reality, it is based on what the person WANTS to be true.

ANZ and Parra stadium can act as centralised locations for the 4 WS teams and even StGeorge, Sharks and Manly at a stretch. The issue isnt that it CANT be done, people just want it to fail....

 

[herbert henry1908]

I always find it funny when people say stuff like this. Its like wen people say Sydney and Brisbane are different; Brisbane is a unified city and only needs 1 team where as Sydney is tribal and needs 9...

Its not actually based on reality, it is based on what the person WANTS to be true.

ANZ and Parra stadium can act as centralised locations for the 4 WS teams and even StGeorge, Sharks and Manly at a stretch. The issue isnt that it CANT be done, people just want it to fail....

Not based in reality, seriously?

Let's start with the basics.

1. Total land mass of Sydney is 12,400 km squared, Melbourne is 9,900km

So Sydney is 25% larger by land mass.

2. Melbourne is a far flatter city, much of it is grid based.

To give a basic example the heighest point in Melbourne is only 120m above sea level. Sydney has heaps of suburbs that are around 200m, some above.

3. Sydney has a major harbour that divides much of its north & south


Let's look at the facts in relation to footy clubs.

1. Furthest distance between two teams home bases in Sydney (brookvale to Penrith) is 62km

In Melbourne it's between Footscray & St kilda, 12km.

2. Furthest distance between a clubs home base and one of the centralised stadiums.

In Sydney it's between Penrith & parramatta- 30km

In Melbourne it's 6.6km between st kilda and Docklands

And there are plenty of other clubs a decent distance from centralised stadiums

Cronulla - to Moore park 25km (you proposed ANZ, it's even further at 30km)

Manly to Moore park 17km (you proposed ANZ - even further at 28km)



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Id prefer if you told me something I said wasn't based in reality that you came with actual facts.

 

[Perth Red]

Surely you can get to central station from most of Sydney relatively easily? then it's a pub crawl to Moore park. I still say Friday night game of the week at Allianz for the city slickers and Sunday afternoon at anz for the families of the west. But clubs said no to nrl controlling fixtures so will never happen. Clearlybfans don't like anz for many reasons, or nrl just isn't as popular as we'd like to think and 15k is what we should expect as the norm.