Germany legalises same sex marriage

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  1. 2_Smoking_Guns

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    I'm surprised a thread on this hasn't already been started... a conservative government allows it's members a conscience vote despite the leader being opposed to it and parliament votes it in with a huge majority... simple as that.... done and dusted....

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-01/germany-same-sex-marriage-how-did-it-just-legalise-it/8669810

    How did Germany just legalise same-sex marriage?
    Updated about 9 hours ago

    [​IMG]PHOTO: Green Party's gay rights activist Volker Beck (R) celebrates with fellow faction members after the vote. (AP: Michael Sohn)
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    Here's how it all unfolded.

    What happened?
    The landmark vote came about almost by chance.

    At a discussion organised by the women's magazine, Brigitte, on Monday, Ms Merkel was challenged by a man asking, "When can I call my boyfriend my husband?"

    She replied that she preferred to view it as a "decision of conscience rather than me pushing something through by majority vote".

    She said that "the decision will have to be made some time".

    That signalled Ms Merkel was backing off the conservatives' long-standing refusal to budge on the issue, and meant conservative politicians could vote however they wanted, rather than following the party line.

    The comments angered some in her traditionally Catholic conservative bloc, but was welcomed by gay activists and the Social Democrats (SPD).

    Why was it so quick?
    It was all about the timing.

    Martin Schulz, who is the leader of the SPD, then seized on Ms Merkel's change of mind, pushing for a vote this week on a nearly four-year-old bill to legalise same-sex marriage.

    An open rift earlier might have brought down Ms Merkel's coalition government. But Friday was the outgoing parliament's last session before the September vote, leaving little room for debate.

    German politicians voted by 393 in favour of same-sex marriage to 226 against. There were four abstentions.

    What did Merkel say?
    [​IMG]PHOTO: Ms Merkel said she had voted against the bill. (Reuters: Axel Schmidt)
    Ms Merkel, who is the daughter of a Protestant pastor, said she had voted against the bill because she believed that marriage, as defined under German law, was between a man and a woman.

    But she said her decision was a personal one, stating that she had become convinced in recent years that same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt children.

    "I hope that the vote today not only promotes respect between the different opinions but also brings more social cohesion and peace," she said on Friday.

    What are the political ramifications?
    The former leader of the SPD described it as "a great moment for the parliament … even if it happened through an accident by Mrs Merkel".

    But some have seen it as a win for Ms Merkel as well, allowing her to resolve the issue ahead of the September election without having to vote against the party line, which could have annoyed her conservative base.

    [​IMG]PHOTO: Demonstrators celebrated outside the lower house of Parliament after the decision. (Reuters: Hannibal Hanschke)
    A survey by pollster INSA for daily Bild showed this week that three quarters of Germans favoured same-sex marriage legalisation.

    It also became a hot election topic after three parties — the Social Democrats (SPD), the pro-business Free Democrats and the Greens — each made it a condition for joining any future coalition with Merkel's conservatives.

    But the vote has offered Ms Merkel and the SPD, who is part of the current coalition, an opportunity to highlight their differences after four years of governing together.

    Mr Schulz joined two left-leaning opposition parties to force Friday's vote, allowing the conservatives the chance to scare voters ahead of the September vote with the notion of a left-wing government that includes the Left Party, which has communist roots.

    Political analysts say the issue will likely have faded from voters' minds by the time the election comes around.

    What does this mean for Australia?
    The Coalition believes a plebiscite is the best way to resolve the issue of same-sex marriage, with Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce describing it as the "greatest conscience vote that you can have".

    Where to from here?
    [​IMG]
    The same-sex marriage plebiscite was blocked in the Senate — as expected — but the debate is far from over.
    But Labor is pushing for a free vote in parliament, which is similar to what happened in Germany.

    That is unlikely to happen in the 45th Parliament, with the Coalition — which controls the numbers in the Lower House — stating that without a plebiscite, the matter will not be dealt with.

    So, what happens now?
    The same-sex bill in Germany will likely be signed into law by President Frank-Walter Steinmeier some time after July 7.
     
  2. Surely

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    Lock up your toasters
     
  3. Pete Cash

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    Some people have theorised that Merkel did this "accident" to get gay marriage off the table when she has to negotiate with minor parties to form coalitions later on. She voted against it and can say to her conservative base well i voted against it what can you do.
     
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    Watching the remainers be like Merkel good DUP bad.
     
  5. DiegoNT

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    So there was a leader, who personally was against the policy as were her voters, open up the vote for all representatives to vote along the lines of their own beliefs and the beliefs of their constituents, and when the vote went against her choice she still went with the will of the people.

    Isn't that how politics should always be
     
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    What does this mean for Australia?


    nothing, we live in a nanny state
     
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  7. Danish

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    I like the footage of people celebrating in parliament and throwing confetti etc....

    But does anyone have footage of Merkel and the like during the celebrations? Would love to see the sour looks on their faces.

    Can't imagine this will pass in Oz for some time. Neither major party has had he stones to do it (although they enjoy posturing about it from the safety of the opposition benches).

    I wonder how long it would have been legal by now if the plebiscite had gone ahead
     
  8. Mong

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    Lol

    A plebiscite..

    Not that rubbish again..
     
  9. Surely

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    Better than nothing
     
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    I reckon that plebiscite should happen straight after the one for legal safe abortion.But most Australian liberals re more concerned about gays marrying .
     
  11. Mong

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    Spoken like a true billboard, Surely.
     
  12. Surely

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    Well what's the alternative waiting for Bill to make it a binding vote ?
     
  13. Mong

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    There is an entire thread about it.. Do we need to do it all over again?
     
  14. butchmcdick

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    Needs more ira shit talking to be truely detailed
     
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  15. Danish

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    Yeah not that rubbish that likely would have had gay marriage legalised in Australia by now. Lets wait for labor to get into power again, whenever that is (while hoping that they don't suddenly lose their drive for it once they are actually able to make the change, like last time)
     
  16. Mong

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    See my last response to Surely..
     
  17. Pete Cash

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    Labor will likely win the next election because the turnbull government is pathetic and it will pass the house of reps easily

    I actually dont think any labor mps dont support gay marriage now.

    Of course turnbull could do his job and allow a conscience vote
     
  18. Danish

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    Eh, people still seem to hate shorten so while it labor holds an advantage at the moment who's to say what happens between now and the election.

    I suppose it's better to wait till at least 2019 and possibly even 2022 or beyond for gay marriage to be on the books than to have had a plebiscite last year which seemingly would have won in a landslide and forced the change already
     
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    So democracy is rubbish to you.
     
  20. Mong

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    Nice stretching...
     

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