Germany legalises same sex marriage

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  1. B-dos

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    well because they needed to oppose the pleb for political reasons of course

    turnbull is clearly a pretty shit politican

    not sure why you are so angry at both sides getting some funding to state their case? id be happy if neither side got money but seems to me if we are having a pleb it suggests there are two worthy sides to the coin.. i know that in lefty la la land these sort of things arent even up for debate. becase.,. social justice
     
  2. Pete Cash

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    The right is afraid they will get smashed in funds. That's why they are so insistent on no private funds and both sides get public funds.

    It's interesting though that turnbull needs but one of labor, greens or nxt and apparently it's labor who won't negotiate ?
     
  3. B-dos

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    seems pretty fair that both sides of a pleb get funding if the government is providing funding

    well we all know labor arent interested because its all about the politics of it pete
     
  4. 2 weeks

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    Let the gays be just as miserable as the rest of us that are married are, I reckon.
     
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  5. Pete Cash

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    Can you find anyone arguing that only the yes side should get funds. When labor floated the idea of no public funds they meant for both sides.

    The no campaign doesn't want this because they know they won't raise as much money as the yes campaign..

    The simple fact is the liberals don't need labor. They need 1 (only 1) of labor, greens or nxt
     
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    oh its just that you have been going on about funding for the crazy right as though its a bad thing. im glad you actually meant funding for both sides...

    makes sense

    lol

    i agree that we shouldnt place any hope on labor acting responsibly pete but the same goes for the greens and that sadly leaves NXT who seem pretty happy to block a policy that the government clearly took to an election and won with
     
  7. Pete Cash

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    How can you claim they have a mandate when they got such an unfavourable Senate for the plebiscite in a full Senate election ?

    It's weird the liberals can't get a single party to negotiate with them on this issue. Considering they have passed bills it suggests they have got nxt or the greens voting with them at least occasionally.
     
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    they took the policy to an election and won

    you can make up all the reasons you like to justify blocking the policy, which we know you support becuase it benefits labor, but that is the fact

    its a shame the alternative government is so irreponsible that the libs need to rely on fringe nutters
     
  9. 2_Smoking_Guns

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    b-dos believes that a conscience vote in parliament is equivalent to a trial in a court of law so how would you expect someone that stupid to understand a full senate vote?
     
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    lol.. no boners. i just mean what ive said

    cheers
     
  11. Pete Cash

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    Doesn't the Senate also have a mandate ?
     
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    lol. generally the party that wins government has the mandate pete
     
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    Who would have though that a financially conservative lib billboard would seriously advocate wasting many millions of dollars to avoid annoying some folk in the party.

    Its amazing how some billboards wear them so tightly it blocks blood supply to the brain.

    Lolz
     
  14. Pete Cash

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    So you believe the senate should be a rubberstamp for the government ?

    Like help me out here but can't the senate claim their own mandate from the voters ?

    I certainly don't believe in the senate just blocking for the sake of it but one must ask how much the liberals are willing to negotiate here. Considering its three different groups blocking and they only need to win one.
     
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    Yet again you seem confused Dossy, I'm referring to the bill Smith is fashioning to put to a parliamentary vote, not the dead in the water bill that is the plebiscite.



    Yeah, tell me something I don't know.


    Oh dear, you are rewriting history here Dossy, Labor gave it a conscience vote in their last term, it was Abbott who insisted that Liberal members vote against the bill. All of them, and they all toed the line.
     
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  16. Shorty

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    Lol.
    I am obviously for gay marriage but I'd like to do away with marriage all together.
    That won't be happening however.
     
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    On what grounds do you think marriage should be done away with?
     
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    I don't believe it's necessary, neither does the ATO.
     
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    I certainly take my cues on social issues from the ATO

    What is unnecessary about it to you? Not to you personally, as obviously no one is forcing you to be married, but what is unnecessary about it to the point you think no one should be allowed to do it?
     
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    Not so much not allowed as not desirable I would say.
    What I dont get is the rush to accept greater State control of private affairs.
    Marriage under the Marriage Act is just that.
    As those who partner in defacto relationships -hetro or gay- receive pretty the same social and legal status in Australia ,the only possible change I see is more State intrusion in how people run their lives.
    I totally get the fight to have a relationship legally protected ...but I just dont get this from liberals who mostly fight for less govt intrusion.
     

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