Goodbye Bears, CQ and PNG?

[BuffaloRules]

Manly are privately owned, and have major stadium issues - they have already flirted with the Sunshine Coast.

"Flirted" with Sunshine Coast?

By previously having their Feeder team based there like Canberra did with Souths Brisbane?

I am not a Manly fan, but I live in the area and Manly are going nowhere...

We dont want to give up the entire North Shore to Union...

Need to give that one a rest...

 

[Goddo]

^ Manly looked at playing 1-2 games on the Sunny Coast, and the Sunny Coast has reserved a lot of land for a big NRL stadium in the future. Just saying, who knows what their situation will be in 10 years time.

Brookvale is a dump and the plans to fix it are dreadful. They may end up at the SFS at the current rate. Crowds won't look good there, and it defeats the point of having a North based club. I personally think the Bears model (CC/North Sydney mix) fits the NRLs needs better than Manly does.

 

[smithie]

Western Corridor intend on having their own stadium before 2022, so they will only be temporary tenants. (They have to wait for Stadiums Queensland to build the new Cowboys Stadium which is their current top priority, and for the 2017 Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast).

One or two years would be fine, but 7-8 years is hardly temporary. What happens when they have a year or two like the Titans are currently having. How many fans will continue to make the one hour train ride from Ipswich to Milton?

2014/15: WA Reds & Brisbane Bombers
2019/20: NZ II & Western Corridor

 

[smithie]

^ Manly looked at playing 1-2 games on the Sunny Coast, and the Sunny Coast has reserved a lot of land for a big NRL stadium in the future. Just saying, who knows what their situation will be in 10 years time.

Brookvale is a dump and the plans to fix it are dreadful. They may end up at the SFS at the current rate. Crowds won't look good there, and it defeats the point of having a North based club. I personally think the Bears model (CC/North Sydney mix) fits the NRLs needs better than Manly does.

Absolutely agree. There should be a NRL team playing at Bluetongue, not Brookvale or Shark Park.

 

[Quidgybo]

^ Manly looked at playing 1-2 games on the Sunny Coast, and the Sunny Coast has reserved a lot of land for a big NRL stadium in the future. Just saying, who knows what their situation will be in 10 years time.

This is the interesting thing about private ownership coming into the game. A members owned club can run itself into oblivion simply because it is unable to get the tough motions passed to move to greener pastures. But a private owner or private consortium is a lot more likely to look at the situation from a dispassionate business perspective.

Millionaires don't tend to get to be millionaires by subsidising unprofitable businesses, especially if there an option available that allows them to run the same business profitably. If another city offers them a better stadium and better growth possibilities then a private owner can and will jump where a members based club wouldn't even entertain the possibility.

Leigh

 

[BuffaloRules]

^ Manly looked at playing 1-2 games on the Sunny Coast, and the Sunny Coast has reserved a lot of land for a big NRL stadium in the future. Just saying, who knows what their situation will be in 10 years time.

Brookvale is a dump and the plans to fix it are dreadful. They may end up at the SFS at the current rate. Crowds won't look good there, and it defeats the point of having a North based club. I personally think the Bears model (CC/North Sydney mix) fits the NRLs needs better than Manly does.

Hmm "Looked at one or two games"... Is this in addition to the Central Coast game as well? Bit of a stretch to describe this as "flirting"..

Manly average higher then other Sydney clubs even in the "dump" they are playing in...If they "fix it" do you really think they will be moving anywhere?

Crowds dont look good there?? Have a look at the Souths game at Brookvale,,I was there and it looked fantastic...

They have also had more than their fair share of Monday night games as well this year...

I dont support Manly but living in the area Im aware at how much of a following the team has in what is an affluent chunk of Sydney , attractive to sponsors and TV execs...

If you dump the Eagles they wont follow the CC Bears mate, so dont even go down that track...

 

[NRL-TGG]

The only two Sydney clubs Manly beat on average home crowd this season is Penrith and Cronulla.*

Looking at were those teams are on the ladder it makes you scratch your head, although Manly have seemed to have a lot of wet weather effected matches this season.

*not including the double header in Brisbane as part of the figures.

 

[RLlover]

True, Perth will be in.



There is around 60,000 people in Rockhampton. The nearest population centres are 100kms away and are 50,000 or less. It is also a regional side, which holds little interest for broadcasters looking for big Metro ratings.

A 20,000 seat stadium in Rockhampton will be a white elephant (and also the smallest ground in the NRL). The Ipswich bid has recieved the same stadiums promise as Central Queensland, and both will be on the backburner for the next few years while Stadiums Queensland have a couple of other projects on the go. This makes CQ homeless - which along with its small population pretty much kills the bid, despite strong community support and financial backing.

The population of Mackay on August 26th 2011 is approximately 86,047.Rockhampton and immediate surrounds, with around 105,000 residents. Gladstone 53000 population Bundaberg approx 99000 seems that there are more people in those areas than you thought not to mention the western regions of the central QLD area. that is 0ver 300 000 as of May 2011 and predicted to almost doubble by 2016
This is a growth area with significant financial clout and support

SEQ has two clubs at present

I would hope that the new IC has more forward thinking that some and that they realize that more clubs in one city/reigon is not good planning
Look at the Sydney based sides and the financial issues of the victorian AFL clubs

Lets grow the game for the future not contract it for safty now

 

[bobmar28]

One or two years would be fine, but 7-8 years is hardly temporary. What happens when they have a year or two like the Titans are currently having. How many fans will continue to make the one hour train ride from Ipswich to Milton?

2014/15: WA Reds & Brisbane Bombers
2019/20: NZ II & Western Corridor

Why are you assuming the Jets will not have any fans outside of Ipswich?

 

[smithie]

Why are you assuming the Jets will not have any fans outside of Ipswich?

Because Ipswich has a terrible public image to the greater Brisbane region and giving them a national team won't change that. The sketch the Footy Show did a few weeks ago is exactly what the rest of Brisbane thinks of Ipswich. "All their cheerleaders will wear ugg boots and be pregnant." This is why an Ipswich team will never get the same amount of corporate support as a second Brisbane team or even a Sunshine Coast team. Image is everything.

 

[M2D2]

Brisbane Bombers have got no support from fans in Brisbane AT ALL. People arent going to switch from Broncos if they are already fans.
They need another city/suburb/name to invoke rivalry. River city. Sunshine Coast. Something.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Why not a Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast link up?

 

[bobmar28]

Why not a Redcliffe/Sunshine Coast link up?

That may have just happened today with the Dolphins declaring an interest in having an NRL team.

 

[Perth Red]

Apparently some news due to come out of the CQ bid this week according to their facebok page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/cqnrlbid

are they really this delusional?
http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2011/08/29/cq-nrl-bid-a-frontrunner/

 

[Goddo]

The population of Mackay on August 26th 2011 is approximately 86,047.Rockhampton and immediate surrounds, with around 105,000 residents. Gladstone 53000 population Bundaberg approx 99000 seems that there are more people in those areas than you thought not to mention the western regions of the central QLD area. that is 0ver 300 000 as of May 2011 and predicted to almost doubble by 2016
This is a growth area with significant financial clout and support

And how far are those centres from Rockhampton? Mackay is Cowboys territory.

"Rockhampton and surrounds are 105,000" - yes, and how does that compare to Townsville, which manages an average around 13k for the Cowboys?

Face it, even if you include the more distant centres, Rockhampton will have a much smaller population catchment than the Cowboys - they would be a baby version of them.

Central Queensland has next to zero value for broadcasters because its population is so small. The only thing this bid has going for it is big backing from mining companies and QR national.

How will the CQ bid fill a 20k stadium? They will struggle to average much more than 10k.

SEQ has two clubs at present

So? It also has a population around 3.5 million. Do you notice the diference between scrounging 330k together for CQ and 3.5 million divided by 2, 3 or even 4? SE Queensland can and should have at least 1 more team.

Look at where the Queensland Cup clubs are based. Shock horror, most are from SE Queensland. IF the CQ bid is to get up, it will need the backing of Mackay and the Sunshine Coast, but both are looking to other closer NRL licences/regions.

I would hope that the new IC has more forward thinking that some and that they realize that more clubs in one city/reigon is not good planning

Actually it is, because thats where the ratings / advertisers / money / sponsors / fans / juniors are for the most part.

Look at all the other bids and tell me its not - every single one ties itself to a city or a cities fringe, to maximise its potential revenue for the game, with two exceptions - PNG and Central Queensland.

The Cowboys only work because Townsville is a major centre, virtually a state capital of the "North Queensland" region.

Look at the Sydney based sides and the financial issues of the victorian AFL clubs

Lets grow the game for the future not contract it for safty now

I agree that the game shouldn't contract by adding more NSW clubs. That said, I think the game shouldn't be looking at minor regional markets either when there are more lucrative locations for the game.

CQ would have to be running second last, just in front of PNG.

 

[Goddo]

Apparently some news due to come out of the CQ bid this week according to their facebok page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/cqnrlbid

are they really this delusional?
http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2011/08/29/cq-nrl-bid-a-frontrunner/

Yes, the CQ bid really is that delusional. I mean, they make as much sense as having a Mid North Coast NRL side, in a Coffs Harbour/Port Macquarie/Grafton/Byron Bay catchment.

Just read RLlovers comments. They truely believe that Rockhampton is the equal of the Brisbane bids, Perth and Central Coast.

When it comes down to brass tacks, they have lots of big sponsors, very small but strong public support, and a promise for a tiny regional stadium. What happens if QR National were to walk away? Would they be able to get another sponsor?

They are in the right state for a licence that improves TV rights, but are a tiny regional team up against several metro-Brisbane bids.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Apparently some news due to come out of the CQ bid this week according to their facebok page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/cqnrlbid

are they really this delusional?
http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2011/08/29/cq-nrl-bid-a-frontrunner/

They got half a million towards bid development. Not bad considering.

Coal companies commit to NRL bid

29th August 2011

Bid chairman Geoff Murphy


CENTRAL Queensland’s bid for an NRL team has today received a major boost with a number of coal industry companies committing $440,000 in funding towards the development of the bid’s business plan.
In a significant coup for the CQ NRL Bid, prominent coal companies BMA (BHP Billiton Mitsubishi Alliance), Jellinbah Group and Cockatoo Coal, together with QR National and Gladstone Ports Corporation will join forces to provide financial support to the bid.
These companies have also indicated that while the bid is being developed, they will look to work with other coal companies and suppliers in seeking to bring together the necessary sponsorship for the team.

http://www.themorningbulletin.com.a...mpaign=Queensland_Online&utm_source=RoamMedia

 

[beave]

And how far are those centres from Rockhampton? Mackay is Cowboys territory.

"Rockhampton and surrounds are 105,000" - yes, and how does that compare to Townsville, which manages an average around 13k for the Cowboys?

Face it, even if you include the more distant centres, Rockhampton will have a much smaller population catchment than the Cowboys - they would be a baby version of them.

Central Queensland has next to zero value for broadcasters because its population is so small. The only thing this bid has going for it is big backing from mining companies and QR national.

How will the CQ bid fill a 20k stadium? They will struggle to average much more than 10k.

So? It also has a population around 3.5 million. Do you notice the diference between scrounging 330k together for CQ and 3.5 million divided by 2, 3 or even 4? SE Queensland can and should have at least 1 more team.

Look at where the Queensland Cup clubs are based. Shock horror, most are from SE Queensland. IF the CQ bid is to get up, it will need the backing of Mackay and the Sunshine Coast, but both are looking to other closer NRL licences/regions.

Actually it is, because thats where the ratings / advertisers / money / sponsors / fans / juniors are for the most part.

Look at all the other bids and tell me its not - every single one ties itself to a city or a cities fringe, to maximise its potential revenue for the game, with two exceptions - PNG and Central Queensland.

The Cowboys only work because Townsville is a major centre, virtually a state capital of the "North Queensland" region.

I agree that the game shouldn't contract by adding more NSW clubs. That said, I think the game shouldn't be looking at minor regional markets either when there are more lucrative locations for the game.

CQ would have to be running second last, just in front of PNG.

couldn't agree any more.