I established a terror movement in Australia, and I quit

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  1. RockWheel

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    and how does that definition, which you apparently know, align with the values of antifa?
     
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  2. Evil Homer

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    So I googled it and I can find 4 murders by Islamic terrorists in Australia since 2001, one of which was an attack on a fellow Muslim, not really the epidemic that I was expecting.
     
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  3. Pete Cash

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    Well i believe I know what fascism means. Its broadly a nationalist ideological system that is third position (ie anti socialism and capitalism) and views society as being structured with an inherent order. They essentially wish to use the state to enforce inequality. In nazi germany for example the jew was considered a subhuman so the state was used to enforce that inequality

    I wanted to know your definition so we could debate it. This is a debate forum last i checked
     
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  4. B-dos

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    im glad youve now educated yourself mate

    well done
     
  5. B-dos

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    i see it as more a totalitarian view

    in terms of 'nationalistic' in antifas sense it quite easily applies to their collective

    anyone who isnt on their side is their enemy..
     
  6. RockWheel

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    most far left thinking is opposed to nationalism and even the idea of the state so not sure where you get 'nationalistic' from.
     
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  7. Pete Cash

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    Again there are lots of ideologies that are totalitarian that isnt fascism. Nationalism is an inherent part of fascism. Some nerdlingers hanging around a coffee shop does not a nation make.
     
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    Suppression of opposition is but one element of fascism, but it is beyond rational dispute that it is a defining characteristic of the modern left
     
  9. RockWheel

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    that's really broad and with that definition you could label a whole bunch of things that aren't fascism as fascism.
     
  10. RockWheel

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    what ideology is prone to broad, sweeping generalised statements about entire groups of people using loaded terms like 'beyond rational dispute'?
     
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  11. Jimbo

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    Using one characteristic to excuse the rest is the sort of weak strawman response I'd expect from a leftist

    Hardly
     
  12. Jimbo

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    Leftism
     
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  13. Jimbo

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    Left wing media usually, but their preferred tool is of course government
     
  14. Pete Cash

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    So they aren't fascist but might be illiberal ?

    What antifa member is suppressing your free speech ?
     
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  15. bazza

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    That is true Jimbo
    Left wing governments have been very authoritative in Australia and NSW these past decades
     
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  16. bazza

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    So a group that stands for fighting facism is the very definition of facism B-dos?
     
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    Sometimes you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette mate...

    ...Well, all the time, but you get the idea.
     
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  18. bazza

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    antifa is a trojan horse into government, police and media power
     
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    Facism is defined by ideology
    Just because antifa and facists both act like dickheads doesn’t mean they follow the same ideology

    It seems you want to disagree with that but aren’t able to form an argument
     
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    Not quite as authoritative as they wanted to be
     

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