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siv

First Grade
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1 week is a start but too short needs to be 2 weekends

I would like 3 windows

Last fortnight of May

First fortnight of July

3rd weekend Oct to 1st weekend of Dec
 

Batfan78

Juniors
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If we are going to persist the way the NRL wants then there needs to be more for the Pacific when origin is on too keep the Polynesian players wanting to play for their countries. NZ and England could also play.

At the end of the seasons in both hemispheres there should be a 6 nations tournament. It's the only wait to continue the improvement of the minnows. Ireland were written of in this RLWC and I think they've excelled for what they have like a few nations.
 

Force

Juniors
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A Pacific series run alongside the 3 Origin games(on stand alone weekends).

Samoa, NZ, Tonga, Cook Islands, PNG and Fiji....I would also like to see Indigenous OZ and NZ Maori in the comp, make it 8 teams with 4 games per weekend (+Origin makes it 5 games).
 

docbrown

Coach
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Playing Internationals during the middle of the NRL season has an overall negative effect on rugby league. Before you get all worked up -- in the scenario where they don't give the NRL club a bye then you're putting two forms of your own product in direct competition for eyeballs. You don't see Marvel releasing both Thor & Spiderman films on the same weekend. There's only so many $$$ and so much audience interest to go around. Where clubs are given a bye - 1 week, 2 week, even 3 - you're still shutting down your main economic engine. Once you do it is hard to regain audience and media attention - you see this with the impact that Origin has on the NRL, so why would you make it even worse with Internationals?

One of the smartest things the NRL can do is to be a consistent presence but also minimise the impact other forms of the game has on the league. That means no mid-season internationals. This applies to Super League too. Neither league is an absolute position of authority where they can afford to throw money away but that's what they're currently doing.

In the NRL's case however State of Origin is a unique beast - it is a moneymaker in its own right. Doing anything radical to upset that status would be unwise. The smartest approach is to minimise the impact. The Sunday Night game is a step in the right direction but ultimately all 3 matches should be played on a Sunday Night across a 5 week period (Game 1, regular NRL round, Game 2, regular NRL round, Game 3). In this sense Origin would only affect 3 weeks of the competition - those weekends would consist of a single NRL round split over 3 weeks with matches played on Thursday, Friday & Saturday nights to maintain interests. This mean Origin would only overshadow a maximum of 8 matches.

Coming back to Internationals, if the World Cup ratings & crowds have shown anything it's that rugby league fans are willing to extend their interest into October & November. This should be the time for the International Window. Instead of hacking the NRL down to shove something in, expand Rugby League's dominance over the calendar with more games.

It should work on a 4 year cycle – with the World Cup on its own in the 4th year and with the other 3 years consisting of special series & tournaments like:
* Each year in this period there should be a designated Australia vs New Zealand Anzac test match.
* 3 game Anzac Series – Aus vs Nz – held every 4 years
* 3 game Ashes Series – Aus vs Eng – held every 4 years
* 3 game Baskerville Series – Eng vs NZ – held every 4 years
* 6 Countries Europe (Aus, Eng, NZ + 3 European countries) – held every 4 years
* 6 Countries Pacific (Aus, Eng, NZ + 3 Pacific countries) – held every 4 years
* Pacific Cups, Shields & Bowls – held in non-world cup years
* European Cups, Shields & Bowls – held in non-world cup years
* Atlantic Cups, Shields & Bowl – held in non-world cup years

For example:
Yr 1:
Anzac Series (final is the Anzac Test)
6 Countries Pacific
European Cup, Shield & Bowl
Pacific Cup, Shield & Bowl
Atlantic Cup, Shield & Bowl

Yr 2:
Anzac Test
Ashes Series
European Cup, Shield & Bowl
Pacific Cup, Shield & Bowl
Atlantic Cup, Shield & Bowl
One off matches by Aus/Nz/Eng against European & Pacific countries -- or these could potentially be in a tournament format for marketing say NZ vs Tonga, Fiji, PNG etc

Yr 3
Anzac Test
Baskerville Series
6 Countries Europe
European Cup, Shield & Bowl
Pacific Cup, Shield & Bowl
Atlantic Cup, Shield & Bowl

Yr 4:
Anzac Test
European Cup, Shield & Bowl
Pacific Cup, Shield & Bowl
Atlantic Cup, Shield & Bowl
One-off Warm Up Matches
World Cup

By expanding the Pacific & Atlantic tournaments for lower tier countries there’s a clear path for countries to progress. For example a Pacific Bowl tournament might include teams like Solomon Islands, Vanuatu & Niue. Above them a Pacific Cup might include Cook Islands, Samoa maybe even the likes of USA or Canada at some point. The better performing sides from the cup would qualify for the 6 Countries Pacific – teams like Tonga, PNG & Fiji to play against the Big 3.
 
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latingringo101

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Great and historic move by NRL/SL, fingers crossed ALL players can be released for retrospective international games.

Wonder what will happen in the Northern hemisphere? The Celtic nations and France don't seem to like playing mid season internationals and England will be most likely over here to play NZ.
 

titoelcolombiano

First Grade
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Origin needs to go over 3 weekends. Then the rest of the world needs 3 weeks of internationals

Spot on! You can run Euro and Pacific Cups over three weeks; four nations, round-robin, no final. The Euro winner earns an end of season test against England and the Pacific Winner earns an end of season test against New Zealand or Australia.

If the Sunday Origin experiment works - I would imagine the NRL will look at three rep weekends in the next TV deal. The content is there for TV and would rate well and keep RL well and truly in the media cycle:

State of Origin: QLD v NSW
Pacific Cup: Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, PNG
Baskerville Shield: New Zealand v England
 

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siv

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NRL should not be selling non Australian internationals

Even a NZ test should yield a money for NZRL

Its then up to the NZRL to decide how much they can afford to pay players
 

roughyedspud

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Guys...there's not going to be more that one mid season test weekend!

Its one mid season test and post season comps (euro,Pacific & 9s) & tours for the foreseeable future..
 

titoelcolombiano

First Grade
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Guys...there's not going to be more that one mid season test weekend!

Its one mid season test and post season comps (euro,Pacific & 9s) & tours for the foreseeable future..

I firmly believe that will change from the next TV deal for the following reasons:

  • Origin will rate no matter what night it is on - but Sunday gives it 'clear air' from other major sporting matches like Wallabies tests or big AFL matches which helps it capture a national audience (this was the original attraction of a mid-week game)
  • The international game is only going to continue to grow and the Pacific Tests are going to become a very attractive part of the schedule
  • The NRL fans are getting tired of the disruption that the origin period causes to the competition - the NRL will move to counter this by suspending the comp for three weeks which frees up a rep window
 

titoelcolombiano

First Grade
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NRL should not be selling non Australian internationals

Even a NZ test should yield a money for NZRL

Its then up to the NZRL to decide how much they can afford to pay players

I agree and believe that the NZRL will be profiting from their match next year against England, I just added it as it is TV content that will rate and can fill the NRL void.
 

siv

First Grade
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I really like the structure of of 2017 season with its quality internationals period in Oct-Nov

Culiminating in a top 2 teams final

We now have the Commonwealth 9s lined up

If we run a World RL 9s it should be lined up in 2020 in a Olympic year
 
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Plans are afoot for the Kiwis to play in a Pacific Nations championship, which will be played over a two- to four-year period.

The Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) is encouraging the likes of New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji and Papua New Guinea to play regular tests against each other, with the results of these games going towards a championship.

A standalone State of Origin weekend from next year and the removal of the Anzac test from the fixture list has opened up a window in the calendar for the Kiwis to play other nations.

The Pacific nations have been playing one off tests against each other in Australia over the same weekend as the Anzac test for the past few years.



But RLIF CEO David Collier is pushing for a new competition to be set up, to give some meaning to tests played during this window and at the end of each NRL season.

"We've been discussing how to help, support and enhance an Asia/Pacific championship," Collier said.

"If you made sure people played each other over a period of two or three years, you could make that into a full championship.

"What this World Cup has shown is that those nations are more than capable of providing a strong spectacle for nations to visit or play against them.

"I'd hope that the number of international matches maintained.


"The Pacific tests have always been a spectacle and I've been lucky enough to go to a couple of them.

"If we can enhance it into a championship, it would be fantastic."

NZRL CEO Alex Hayton says they're interested in the idea, but not yet fully sold on it.

"Certainly in that standalone Origin weekend we're looking to play test matches and most probably against Pacific Island countries," Hayton said.

"If we're playing as part of that cycle we'd be involved in it, I'm not sure what it's going to look like and it's different to the old Pacific Cup, where it was played over two or three weeks.

"How you tie one-off games together over a four-year period is a bit tricky."

While this World Cup was a disaster from the Kiwis' point of view, it has highlighted there's big a big appetite for test footy in New Zealand when the Pacific nations are involved.

"Each nation has to work out its own numbers to make sure it works, but what this World Cup has done is shown to broadcasters that these are hugely attractive fixtures to go onto TV," Collier said.

"That certainly helps nations to promote those matches if there is interest from broadcasters."

Although the RLIF is the sport's international governing body, this new competition wouldn't be controlled by it. But it would become an important part of the test season, which is why it has been raised at a recent meeting.

"It was discussed as the whole calendar, as something Asia Pacific can look at," Collier said.

"It's very much up to Asia Pacific as to how they'd do that.

"I think it was talked about more as putting tests into more context, but to make sure the scheduling works, so everyone can play each other over a number of years."

The NZRL has confirmed the Kiwis will have a three-test tour of England at the end of next year, while Hayton says other tests for 2018 will soon be announced.

One of these is to be against the Kangaroos at the end of the season, likely to be in New Zealand.

"There's an appetite for the team to be home," Hayton said of the Kiwis.

"This World Cup has meant for the first time in three years the team has played at home and it's one of the things we've undertaken to work on, to have regular test matches at home going forward.

"Having the Kiwis at home on a regular basis will be important, for the Kiwis to connect with the country and there will obviously be games against Pacific islands during that Origin weekend, and at the end of the year a mix of old-fashioned tours and other events that will be announced in due course."


https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...fered-spot-in-new-pacific-league-championship
 
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A rematch with Tonga next year would in Auckland be better than a fourth game against England. In fact it would probably be better than a game against the Roos, but seeing as it will be Australia's only game we better keep it.
 

Billythekid

First Grade
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Please let it happen. We need more matches in NZ and in particular we need more matches between the pacific nations. Hopefully we see some matches in PNG as well.

I feel like we're on the verge of seeing real progress, please don't f**k this up.
 

thorson1987

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Please let it happen. We need more matches in NZ and in particular we need more matches between the pacific nations. Hopefully we see some matches in PNG as well.

I feel like we're on the verge of seeing real progress, please don't f**k this up.

unfortunately being Rugby League I have reservations about the last bit.
 

roughyedspud

Coach
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I don't see any reason why there can't be pacific nations cup in 2019...as part of a full post season schedule.

Pacific cup
Nz
Tonga
Samoa
Fiji
Png
Cooks or Australia 'A'

Ashes series - Australia v ENGLAND,there's no room for GB in the modern era

Euro nations cup
Wales
Scotland
Ireland
England knights
France
Lebanon
 

Perth Tiger

Bench
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I don't see any reason why there can't be pacific nations cup in 2019...as part of a full post season schedule.

Pacific cup
Nz
Tonga
Samoa
Fiji
Png
Cooks or Australia 'A'

Ashes series - Australia v ENGLAND,there's no room for GB in the modern era

Euro nations cup
Wales
Scotland
Ireland
England knights
France
Lebanon

This is so the ideal set up that is so simple to see you know RL will never institute it. Have this series on a 4 year basis alternating every 2 years with the world cup. Each odd year have tours involving all of these nations and if Aus still wants its year of then who gives a shit, the other countries can more than carry international league by themselves.

The only tweak I'd make is expand the Euro Cup to 8 teams as that wouldn't add any length to the tournament and maybe make it a Northern Hemisphere Cup so that USA and Canada can be involved.
 

Last Week

Bench
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I don't see any reason why there can't be pacific nations cup in 2019...as part of a full post season schedule.

Pacific cup
Nz
Tonga
Samoa
Fiji
Png
Cooks or Australia 'A'

Ashes series - Australia v ENGLAND,there's no room for GB in the modern era

Euro nations cup
Wales
Scotland
Ireland
England knights
France
Lebanon

Any other nation that could play instead of the Knights? Serbia? Russia?
 
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