Just Hang On - Let Me Get This Right.........

Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by mickeylane, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. mickeylane

    mickeylane Juniors

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    the solution to Dugan is a 4 year contract for say $3M or a touch more....that gives hime an extra $1M on the current offer w an additional year..good news is that the club dropped the deadline clause which shows sign of good faith...my instincts tell me when something like this happens it works out in the end.. If Josh walks away from league he walks away from SOO, Australia and no player in their prime would do that ...

    Obviously at the end of his contract Dufty, Field contracts have expired so they would be looking for upgrades... we need to offload players in 2020 to afford the re signing of potential stars Leilua, Dufty, Field
     
  2. Ljack77777

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    Dugan is a great footballer.. but he is too injury prone to play fullback.. its all well for him earning his 1mill salary while his out injured most of the year..dugan cant play with someone on more money then him his ego is too big.. after watching that interview all this can do is ruin the year before it has really started his attitude was shocking he either accepts 750k tops or goodbye.
     
  3. BrissyRedV

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    Sounds reasonable for his returns.
     
  4. BringTheNoise

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    What is the difference between the money that Dragons are offering to make him amongst the highest paid centres vs what he would attract as a fullback on the open market?

    The $1million a season claimed by the media is baseless. There's not a single quote from any source to validate it. It's an imaginary figure plucked from no-where.

    Dugan's demands appear to be similar to Jack Bird's - at club level he wants to be a spine player and have a key role in the team as opposed to sitting on the edges and waiting.

    The claims about him wanting "fullback money" over "centre money" are purely baseless speculation .
     
  5. mickeylane

    mickeylane Juniors

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    Why the f**k is Millward picking where players play? i mean its unheard of for a non coach to do so - McGregor is a spineless coach - he's a clayton coach - no power no say - he's so desperate he's on $250K a season the lowest paid coach in the league and the club think that by picking the team for him all he needs to do is coach it with his 3,000 assistants and co coaches around and hope that the cattle will get them through w very little coaching nous...well NO!! thats not the solution....they are mistaken!! You need a coach who knows how to get respect and responses from players when they're down and out - look at Bellamy last night he was jumping out of the box when they were down w 10 minutes to go!! Players shit themselves and got a result...

    Dugan will stay because there is no where else to go and i believe he should be the FB until Dufty is ready
     
  6. JDHD

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    It's $800k a year for three years. He'll be earning about double what the CEO of a multinational business would be earning to play footy for eighty minutes a week.

    And it's not enough, apparently.
    Mate, you can say what you want but we won't offer him a million and since he's talking about rugby that probably means that no other club thinks he's worth a million, so in this instance management has probably got his price correct.
     
  7. dragonssamy61

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    Spot on rex.
    Some not quite right
     
  8. Dragon Revival

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    Dugan is only worth $750,000 a season. If he goes Dufty, Field, Garrick, Herbert or Mann could competently play fullback. We need to buy a top class centre/ winger with plenty of pace if the young guys do not make the grade.
     
  9. JDHD

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    I've gotta know: why do people think we NEED Dugan? What does he offer? Why are people so enamoured by him?

    - He doesn't score many tries (2 last year - for context, Ethan Lowe scored 9)
    - he doesn't set up many tries (only one try assist last year in round 26 v the Knights for Christ sake)
    - he can't pass
    - he can't kick
    - his attitude is shit (if he's not rolling around milking a penalty after every carry, he's turning around and abusing the pocket referee for something and that sets a bad example for your juniors)
    - he's apparently the best defensive fullback in the game but we conceded seven tries last week and regularly got touched up last year
    - he starts our sets well but a winger can do that. Hell, Nene MacDonald IS doing that.

    So, please tell me what he offers that justifies $1 mil a season.
     
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  10. Sans Souci Sainter

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    I thought he had toned down his rolling around in agony antics this year.
     
  11. possm

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    Looking at the current Parramatta spine, I think you'll find that this is what Millward is looking for;
    French = Dufty
    Jennings = Dugan
    Gutherson = Field
    Norman = Hunt
    Prichard = McInnes
     
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  12. Gareth67

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    Well , at the end of the day , should he resign it shall be for exactly ' X' amount of dollars.
    Whether or not that true amount is ever disclosed to we , the supporters , is another matter

    The interesting aspect to this situation , is that it was Dugan himself who originally set the dead-line , not the club . I found that to be somewhat odd , more so for a player whom had come out and said that he wished to continue his career with the Dragons . If that was indeed the case , why set any type of ' due by date' to the club ?

    Unless he had already been approached or his agent had approached other clubs , NRL or Union . Secondly , it was this time last season when young Josh had told Mary , that he wished to play in the centres , as he believed that was where he played his best football . Confusing , is it not ?

    There is no doubt that Ben Hunts price tag has most certainly been part of the reason for Duges price hike . However as we all fully realise , a player can and shall play in any position for his club , regardless of what he may think to the contrary . Example Jack De Belin at half back .

    I myself have said on numerous occasions that I would like him to remain at the Dragons , however I want the real Josh Dugan in the Big Red V , not a player whose heart is elsewhere . The Joint Venture took Dugan in after his new contract was ripped to pieces by Brisbane and before that , Canberra . We paid overs for him then , $780k per yr. The Dragons have done the right thing by him , I believe that he now needs to do the right thing by the Club and appreciate that every club has a salary - cap to abide by .
     
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  13. Dragonslayer

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    I have this feeling that Dufty is not being considered as a First grade player (at this stage), hence why we have tabled a deal to Widdop. Field will most likely play the fullback role if Widdop re-signs (IMO he will). Field will transition to 5/8 later in his career.
    If Dugan doesn't accept, there are other options for centre like Herbert or even Dodd and of course the continued fascination with Aitken as a centre.
    I think Masters is the one they hold most likely as the fullback of the future, and all hinges on how well he performs in the 20's this year. Comparisons to a young GI are already being spoken.
    Dufty may have to come through via a wing spot and compete with the likes of Garrick and others.
    As I said just my feeling about Dufty.
    First and foremost however, is the position of HC at the club. Until this is sorted and we have a concrete answer, then speculation will run rife and every players name will be thrown up as playing somewhere in the Dragons line-up.
     
  14. Old Timer

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    I love the way this place morphs itself.
    If it's not enough to first have Dufty as the messiah, then he quickly gets rolled over for Field and now we have young Masters in the mix as the up and coming FB.
    All of whom according to some are an instantly better option than retaining Dugan on FB money.
    Honestly some of the thinking in this placed is just as f**ked as the club and the coaching.
    All the kids are some years away and their transition is far from clear and regardless of what many seem to think, they definitely need quality senior players around them and Dugan IMO by far way is our best.
    All this bullshit about good on the club for not giving into Dugan and painting Dugan as the bad guy is all smoke and mirrors by the club and people in here are falling for it.
    You have a spook in the background in Millward now spinning the clubs recruitment / retention policy and we have a rep player people are willing to f**k over on the very whim of those that have given us Price, Mc Gregor, Lafai, Mc Crone & co plus allowing Mann to sit out Rd1 entirely, get 10 minutes in Rd 2 and maybe miss out again in Rd 3. Not too mention the great interview about Mary coming to the meeting on his Jetski FFS absolute insanity.
    All the argument about Dugan is by the clubs creation because they have other agendas and it ain't about the welfare of the club and the supporters.
     
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  15. Old Timer

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    JDHD
    If that is how you really see Dugan do me a favour
    Get Mary to pick you up on the Jetski and drive to the game on Sunday.
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  16. Michaeldragonslife25

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    It's my view dufty needs to be given the chance exactly like the roosters did with rts and mini
    So sign Dugan on the money of a fb even if it is only to help dufty.
    In my view field is a five eight not a fullback so why change his position....have we not learnt anything?
     
  17. BennyV

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    Just wait OT, there's a kid in the Penhurst RSL U12s who is the next big thing, will be ready to take over from Dugan yesterday.
     
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  18. Old Timer

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    You wonder where it all comes from.
    Kids in candy shops with eyes bigger than their bellies most of them.
     
  19. TruSaint

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    I can relate to your post... We bought this guy as a gun fullback. Shifted to centre at the request of Laurie Daley, was given clear instructions by Mary " to just run the ball ", ( several articles have been posted confirming this ), has played at the highest level, as both centre and FB, but now we have hope that our juniors ( God bless em i hope they do well ), will instantly come in and take over.

    We expect to hear the old " he owes us ", ... " cant off load "... injured too often etc etc etc...

    He owes us? He has paid his dues by busting his chops week in week out, under a lame game plan, if any. He has represented, club, state and country, but now, he doesnt fit our model.

    Mickeylane is right. What if our up and coming options , untested, dont work out? He reverts to FB on the same coin as say Lafai or Milne or Aitken etc etc etc ? This BS about spine money should take into consideration the value a player to the team... His ability to play 1 or 3 should be an asset NOT a liability.

    I cant fathom the club on this one... sorry. I think he has been hung out to dry.
     
  20. ALSGI

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    This is what I said this morning (and weeks ago) on the other Dugan thread:

    I've said all along he's a keeper and worth at least what he's on now, and should be Capt imo. Best back by far, inspirational and when he's on the field we always go better.
    A better coach, better Centres, better Half and his game would also improve.
    I'd pay overs for him, we'd get overs back in return.

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    People can we keep the threads tidy please.
     
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