Leftwing utopian nazis

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  1. Pete Cash

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    It is hard to speculate but I feel that the world in general probably would be better without the decades of Saudi spreading a poisonous ideology into the global south on the apparent request of our leaders.

    What do you think is driving the rather worrying rise of Islamic extremism in say Indonesia ?
     
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  2. Game_Breaker

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    If the ME had no oil they would be better off
    It would force them to diversify their economy and will make the dictators less powerful if they don't hold all that wealth
     
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  3. magpie4ever

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    "we have just moved the horrible shit off shore"

    What horrible shiit (jobs) have we moved off shore?

    Manufacturing jobs, assembly positions, refinery jobs, call centres etc, etc - I could go on and on. Were these jobs horrible shit?

    But new ageist & alt right agree with globalisation.

    If these fine, good solid jobs have gone to shit blame the global corporate capitalist & the home country (for low wages, stinking workplace conditions) not the consumer.

    In other words, blame the rip off system not the buyer of products - let's stop kicking ourselves in the arse and looking inwards when the problem lies with the global capitalists - pissing on the world in the hunt for more & more profits.

    We are all victims of globalisation. Not that the new ageists (or new PC left) & new ageist (new right) would agree.
     
  4. Pete Cash

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    Yeah man here is a pretty sweet gig that westerners are missing out on.

    http://www.foodispower.org/slavery-chocolate/

    It is not just bad "jobs" (again keep in mind that a lot of our standard of living is provided by forced labour) that is the issue. Western imperialism both historically and currently has played a large role in our standards of living.

    You simply do not know what you are talking about. The alt right is largely opposed to globilisation you thick twat. "new ageists" by that I presume you mean liberals support global capitalism obviously.

    For the record I told surely there is no such thing as ethical consumption and I am not advocating for people to starve themselves to death. I just think we shouldn't pat ourselves on the back too much. Liberalism is pretty nice to live under but it has a pretty fair human cost.
     
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    And that was the No true socialist Scotsman I was waoting for!
     
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    Lol....we are colonising the region.

    With Saudis....

    Apparently thats a good thing because colonialism is good.
     
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    Hilarious, was I talking about chocolate.
     
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    It would be like Africa where no one gives a shit besides how many guns you can sell.
     
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  9. Pete Cash

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    The simple truth is that orthodox liberalism ie the economics supported by the mainstream right and left in the developing world "believes" in globalisation. There are some disagreements on the edges of the right and the left (most of the alt-right for example holds issues with it) but again its an issue that transcends the left and the right.

    Look at brexit that is an issue of globalisation versus regional politics and it wasn't really voted as a left/right issue. Maybe hyped up as one but there are plenty on the right who were f**king furious about the vote.

    If the question is do i believe in globalisation I think its pretty inevitable and should therefore should be approached from a perspective other than handful of billionaires just sucking up even more resources at the expense of the developing world while they toss the working poor in the west some dumb movies to watch and an acceptance of gay rights or some such.

    We live in a time of unprecedented peace, with outrageous standards of living yet suicide rates are exploding throughout the developed world. Non-mainstream parties are threatening the status quo. Liberalism in its current state is slowly dying.
     
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    Again, hilarious. Unable to counter the post so attack the poster.

    Scotsman? WTF.

    You dumb f**ker.
     
  11. Pete Cash

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    I don't know what you are talking about because you talk so much rubbish but I have mentioned the chocolate trade a number of times in this thread. In fact the only direct industries I have mentioned is petroleum (because the consumption of oil pays for extremist islam to be spread around the world) and chocolate (because its an unnecessary consumer luxury that is dirt cheap because of the labour practices around the source of cocoa)
     
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    I asked for clarification on what 'believe in globalisation' meant and didn't get it. Instead you invented a position for me on your nonsensical statement and then began your traditional new ageist spiel.

    Do you care to clarify what you mean?

    You are deploying the No True Scotsman fallacy to define your social left views as the only correct type. Look it up.
     
  13. cerberus

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    clearly the chinese will own everything soon enough . we are well on the way to being the poor
    white trash of asia . all hail emperor Xi Jinping I.
     
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    Xi isn't setting up a succession. Unless he is immortal hevis creating a huge f**king mess.

    In addition, a lot of countries China is trying to put in hock are facing electoral backlashes. Lool at Malaysia reviewing infrastructure contracts on the back of Rakyat's win. (Rakyat 's DAPis also heavily ethnically Chinese and has completely destroyed the Pro-Mainland MCA) I think they are going to have to play the authoritarian card abroad alot earlier than they planned. Their complete lack of soft power doesn't help either. They are despised by the working Joe in the Global South.
     
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    xi has appointed himself dictator for life . do you think anyone but his son will be the next dictator for life ?

    who do you think will stop china ? the guy that owes the russian mafia 550 million ?
     
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    Xi is an exceptional individual.

    It takes an exceptional individual to run a system that big singlehandedly. He is wiping out competitors. The chances of their being people of sufficient ability to keep the system running once gone are small.

    It is the great weakness of dictatorships.

    Unless he starts making the system less heavily reliant on the individual brilliance if its head I reckon China is facing Chaos not long after he shakes off this mortal coil.
     
  17. cerberus

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    indeed , but the roman empire lasted 450 years after julius caesar
     
  18. t-ba

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    Then Xi better hope hope he has an Augustus for a successor and not the Diadochi.
     
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    indeed still there were 14 or so ptolemy's for alex gave up the ghost
     
  20. t-ba

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    He is creating a talent deficit at the top. China's rise to power since Deng was created off the back of intense competiton and collegiate thought thay Xi has crushed in favor of his own personal rule. I worry China is one big recession away from another Cultural revolution.
     
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