Mal " it's the liberal party not the Conservative party "

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  1. butchmcdick

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    In speech notes seen by Fairfax Media, Mr Turnbull will highlight that Liberal Party founder Sir Robert Menzies in 1944, "went to great pains not to call his new centre right party a conservative party – rather he described our party as the Liberal Party, which he firmly anchored in the centre of Australian politics".

    "Menzies said: 'We took the name 'Liberal' because we were determined to be a progressive party, willing to make experiments, in no sense reactionary but believing in the individual, his right and his enterprise, and rejecting the socialist panacea.'

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ls-not-the-conservatives-20170710-gx89yd.html

    Oh no he didn't

    He didn't just quote Menzies as a public bitch slap / f**k you to uncle tone did he ?
     
  2. B-dos

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    i actually somewhat agree with turbull on that

    im right wing, not 'conservative'

    that said, the reasons turnbull is shit is not because he isnt conservative, its because he is for the most part a closet lefty
     
  3. Mong

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    Uh
    So many Lolz in that gem.
     
  4. The Charlatan

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    I would classify Turnbull as a centrist. Seems to be to the left on social issues, but to the right economically.

    Probably the very definition of a Liberal. Socially and economically liberal.

    Conservative evokes connotations of religious right for mine.
     
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    just reading a bit more about this and thinking a little more on it

    obviously the libs appeal to both conservatives and right wingers. going back over history to argue whether the party was intended to be more of one or the other seems a little pointless

    however in my view the broadest appeal of the party today lies in its values that would typically be regarded as right of centre, rather than conservative

    so turnbull may actually be wrong on the technicalities, but its the right approach to take the party in my view. sadly he doesnt seem to walk the walk
     
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    Fortunately the Liberal Party can sort out this internal war in opposition, which they should have done so during their previous stint.
     
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    Nick Greiner criticising Abbott
    Kennett attacking Turnbull
    Abbott white-anting from the back bench
    Turnbull with a veiled swipe at Abbott and the conservatives from overseas
    Cory Bernardi starting his own party

    The Liberal party doesn't know what it stands for anymore, everyone has a different opinion of what direction it should take
     
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    I reckon that's not a bad assessment although the ALP don't really stand for much these days either

    The only ones who seem to stand for anything are the one issue type parties like Fred Nile, Shooters and Fishers, The Greens etc

    The nats sold their arse to the Libs years ago
     
  9. Mong

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    B dos's fellow conservatives over at Andy B's blog are not impressed about this, there are not many toys left in the cot :)

    Did you realise we are going to become a communist country?

    I certainly missed that happening...
     
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    Pretty hard to attract members and donors if you don't what your brand is and how to sell it.

    Would also add to butch and Game-Breaker's points, along with my point above, was that there was an article not long ago that had Libs based in semi-rural and regional seats complaining that the Nats were taking all the credit for regional issues. I'll see if I can find it again.

    No one knows who they are any more.
     
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    The Liberal Party is whatever is expedient for Malcolm Turnbull at any given time:

     
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    :confused:

    Tearing themselves apart over what they stand for.
     
  13. butchmcdick

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    True

    I forgot about Lee Rhiannon
     
  14. Jimbo

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    There are really only two factions of the Greens though - the proud communists and the ones who pretend not to be communists
     
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    Turnbull is batting for the wrong team, politically, always has.
     
  16. Pete Cash

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    I actually think bolts argument is largely right. I haven't got to the comments but I think it's a well written take-down of what turnbull said especially regarding Menzies words.
     
  17. Pete Cash

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    Because there is no centrist party both labor and the liberals will have MPs who could be on the left and right of the opposing party respectively.

    It's not a big deal in Australia because of party discipline but Malcolm Turnbull is almost the personification of Wentworth liberal voter. He is a great fit for his seat.

    I guess the question is should a guy that moderate be leader.
     
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    They could just brand themselves as people that want to get into power
    "We'll do anything except even sell our own arses to rule" - that is a slogan Tony could get behind if it could somehow be shortened to 3 words
     
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    The other faction are conservatives who pretend that they care about something besides themselves
     
  20. Jimbo

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    I would imagine that a conservative faction of the Greens would have very little sway bazza
     

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