Mal " it's the liberal party not the Conservative party "

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  1. The Charlatan

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    Yeah I must admit on second glance the quote doesn't present his stance in context. It simply says if you're going to do it, that would be the easiest way. Doesn't necessarily say he supports it.
     
  2. Jimbo

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    Indeed it does not

    The first four words are the key. Especially the first
     
  3. bazza

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    It is a sad state of affairs when people are longing for someone like Kim Beazley to be a great leader
     
  4. The Charlatan

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    Never said he'd be a good leader, just that he'd likely be PM in today's political climate.
     
  5. Pantherjim.

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    To be honest, I think it's laughable that Turnbull reckons Menzies ideological stance was centre right as opposed to conservative.

    From an ideological perspective I think there are far too many centre right or right leaning parties registered in this country. If it wasn't for the fact that many of them had indivualised agendas, you probably wouldn't be able to tell where any of them began or ended.
     
  6. Bandwagon

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    The centre's where the money's at, the trick is to get there without alienating the base. Labor has failed in that regard and bled to the greens, it's inevitable the same will be said of the conservatives, If everyone plays in the middle third, there's always points to be found on the edges.
     
  7. Pantherjim.

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    I heard on ABC Radio the other day some political expert suggesting to Richard Glover on the "Drive program" that as a Nation, when it comes to politics, most of the electorate are not very ideologically driven, but rather pragmatically driven.

    I'm not sure if I agree with that assessment or not.

    As a Nation I believe that the electorate is largely apathetic to ideology, and merely votes on policy. I'm of the opinion that if true, it's a bit of a shame.
     
  8. Mong

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    Not if this forum is anything to go by.. We have folk here who dislike their parties policy and what they stand for, but vote for them anyhow.

    I doubt that's uncommon.

    Then there are the ones who applaud everything their party does.. Regardless...
     
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  9. sportive cupid

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    I would actually say that political parties in Australia survive because they adopt a pragmatic approach rather than ideological one. We experimented with ideology briefly in the 70s but it wasnt popular...sad really I agree because pragmatism suits conservative government much better than progressive government.

    Maybe that expert has a point?
     
  10. TheVelourFog

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    Parties do what they can to get elected because they are career politicians
     
  11. millersnose

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    Well that isn't always the case
    Hawke and Keating went to war with some of their base on workplace reform and turning the Labor party into a party actively courting business investment
    Howard bought in the gst reforms despite knowing they would lose political capital
     
  12. TheVelourFog

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    that was 20+ years ago

    wouldn't fly now
     
  13. sportive cupid

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    Why do you think things are different now though .
    They were always elected by the people .So wouldnt it be about the electrate rather than the politicians?
     
  14. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    Hawke and Keating saw that their own base was inefficient and needed reform.

    Howard agreed and heroically declared "absolutely, Labors base needs to be reformed". Very brave....
     
  15. myrrh ken

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    And then instead of a simple tax, he then brought in a complex and ineffective subsidy scheme.

    Smart fella.
     

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