Mann Vs Aitken, who deserves the starting centre role?

Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by Dragons22, Feb 17, 2018.

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Who deserves the starting centre role?

Poll closed Mar 17, 2018.
  1. Mann

    86.0%
  2. Aitken

    14.0%
  1. Frank Facer

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    Crush, I will remind you and everyone else, that you made a post several weeks ago, saying who would have thought that Aitken would be a chance for origin.....

    And I replied Gitano, with a lol after my quote.
     
  2. possm

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    Out of all of the Dragon candidates for SOO, I believe that Aitken has the least chance of gaining selection. This statement rubs against my own personal wish that he does gain selection. I would dearly love for him to receive defensive and passing instructions from the SOO coaching staff so that on his return, he would be a very good all round centre.
     
  3. Crush

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    Sorry Frank I don't follow?
    If I made a post several weeks ago "who would have thought Aitken would be a chance of origin" then I stick by that comment now.
    I never would have guessed in a million years that he would be in the form he is this year.
    You have got to hand it to Gitano though, he called it and was right.
     
  4. Frank Facer

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    I am skeptical that any passing instructions from Freddy, is going to transform Aitken's passing game, or lack of it. lol Do you think that Aitken has been instructed by Mary not to pass the ball to Nightingale? lol
     
  5. Old Timer

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    TBH imagine being a potent winger like Holmes or Ado-Carr and being told you are playing SOO outside Aitken.
    You would spend the next 2 weeks talking to the half and 5/8th discussing the chances of having lots of cut out pass plays.
     
  6. Frank Facer

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    Yeah, and after you made that post "who would have thought Aitken would be a chance of origin", I replied to your post saying "Gitano. lol" So I acknowledged that Gitano said that had said it. I was giving Gitano credit for his prediction.
     
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  7. TomRedVRiver

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    For Aitken's biggest critics, I think the thing that you need to remember is that he's f**king 22 years old. He has made leaps and bounds in his game over the last 12 months, and he's still a baby.

    Does he struggle passing left to right? Sure, but he has so much time to improve, and he's already improving.
    Does he have defensive deficiencies? He used to, but he's improved tenfold over the last year and has all but fixed that part of his game.

    He's a powerhouse. Quick off the mark, solid footwork to beat his opposite number, strong out of dummy half and virtually unstoppable 10 out from the line. He's a good centre, and has the potential to be a great one.
     
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  8. RufusRex

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    i think he played himself out of Origin 1 on the weekend which is bad as it wont give us a chance to see what Lomax can do ..

    Still could pressure for origin 2 depending on results etc.
     
  9. blacksafake

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    Agree,
    What he has done is improve which shows that he's working on his game,so by this reasoning he should be even better next year.As for having trouble passing left to right the majority of players fall into this category.
     
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  10. Life's Good

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    This is the thing with Aitken. Mick Beattie was never the strong passer(that was Johnstone)neither was Matt Cooper(that was Gasnier, just ask Colin Best). Rightly they are club legends. Now Aitken has got a long way to go but he’s definitely on top of his running game. He will get confidence out of that & his overall game will develop as a result.
     
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  11. ChargingPatJarvis

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    Good post.
     
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  12. Life's Good

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    Life’s Good!
     
  13. Frank Facer

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    Cooper's passing game was pretty good in his later years.
     
  14. Drag Queen

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    Slight problem, and I picked this up in FG and ISP that Aitken and Mann don't offload. They appear to be ball-hogs. I have no problem with correction if I'm wrong about this. I'm not though.
     
  15. Frank Facer

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    Mann does have a passing game. He does do some hit ups when he comes on to replace DeBelin at lock, but he also plays like an extra 5/8 and passes the ball, and he passes left and right too. He played most of his juniors at 5/8. I don't think that Mann is a forward and think that he isn't being utilised properly by Mary. Nightingale probably would have scored a few more tries this year, if he was playing outside of Mann, instead of Aitken. So far Nighty has only scored one try in 10 games and that is playing in the side that is leading the comp and has scored more points than any other club this year.

    Aitken on the other hand played most of his juniors at lock. Aitken doesn't even look to pass the ball. That has been the way he has played since I first saw him in the under 20's. Aitken is a hog to the highest order, who likes to score tries and be the hero doing so.

    BTW an offload is when a player is in the process of being tackled and then passes the ball. A passing game is totally different.

    Anyway, I don't have much time for your opinion. lol

    Oh yeah, you are wrong and I don't mind correcting you. lol
     
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  16. Frank Facer

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    This is Aitken's 4th year in first grade. He couldn't pass the ball in his debut season and I noticed it then, I actually noticed it when he was playing under 20's. He still can not set up his winger. When he does pass the ball to Nightingale, it looks awkward and unnatural. If you watch his highlights reel on youtube, you will see that he doesn't score any tries from outside of the opposition's 20m zone and nor does his winger. lol

    If he was a bit bigger he could make a good edge backrower.
     
  17. Frank Facer

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    How many games have you seen Aitken or Mann play in the ISP?
     
  18. Drag Queen

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    Hmm. Good thing I don't give a crap about your opinion. Thanks for pointing out the blatant rules Frank. Let me re-word this.. Mann doesn't like to offload or pass the ball, Suit you better?
     
  19. Drag Queen

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    Plenty of Mann but not so much of Aitken.
     
  20. Frank Facer

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    When did you watch Mann play plenty of ISP games? What position was he playing in those games? How did you watch him play, like on what platform, because I have got foxtel and have seen very few ISP games.
     

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