Mcgregor watch this!

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  1. BennyV

    BennyV Coach

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    Correction - Mary *had* us firing in attack. But it wasn’t a complex plan, simply relied on dominance of forwards (which wouldn’t have happened without the addition of Vaughan and McInnes) and the brains of Widdop. It took 1 round of footy for Brad Arthur to realise that if the forwards can be matched, we’ve got nothing else, and by Round 12 all other teams had followed suit. This, combined with a horrible rotation of players and lack of ability to adapt game plan, are the reasons we fell apart and every one of them is attributed to the idiot in the coaches box.
     
  2. Spudd

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    What was Price’s excuse?
    McGregor’s roster is way better than what Price had.

    They’re both as useless as each other.
     
  3. 2010

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    Watching Morris and Trudget play I can hardly wait to see Hunt and Widdop play together.
    Great to see the fox on the sideline smoking. He is one of our best coaches from the seventies.
     
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  4. Slackboy72

    Slackboy72 First Grade

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    Seeing as we had the third best for and against I don't think "ATTACK" or being "boring" was our problem.
    Losing 5 close games we should have won was our problem. If you found 2017 to be "boring" then please stop watching all forms of sport.
     
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  5. Dragonslayer

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    Agree, attack wasn't our overall problem, we averaged 22 points per game. It only became boring when we missed the finals.
    Burnout, incorrect player placement, poor use of the bench, reliance on "game veterans" and game watching were our problem. And all that rests solely on 1 person alone.
     
  6. kit66

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    Correct. There's nothing boring about giving Manly not one but two hidings in the one year. More than half our wins were 13+ and 5 of those 21+, that's entertainment.
    5 close games but we win just one of those, say a win on Anzac day in extra time instead of the Rorters and we finish in 7th place rather than 9th.
    But we did finish 9th and while the buck stops with Mary, you can't blame him for all our losses - 14 errors in a 21-14 loss to Newcastle, the players did that and the capitulation to the Dogs in round 26, woeful.
    Being without Widdop, Packer and Dugan for a few games each didn't help either.
    Despite the doomsayers though, we're not a basket case, not even close. Hunt and Graham will both be huge for us as will Dufty at the back.
    Hunt gives us a much improved kicking game, organization and support for Widdop we didn't have last year and Graham adds grunt to an already fearsome pack.
    We shore up our defence out wide and use our bench more wisely and 2018 will be one to remember.
     
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  7. LINESPEED

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    His persistence with McCrone cost us 2017 - end of story
     
  8. LINESPEED

    LINESPEED Juniors

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    There was something troubling about JDB's "mentally weak" comment.
    It's been a real issue with this club for years.
    We have a mentally very weak coach I'm afraid - preceded by Price who could look no one in the eye. Mary can't hang two words together that make sense

    Gould used to call it our propensity to 'gift' teams opportunities

    Graham may well be the antichoke and the catalyst

    March 8 team selection will tell the story of what's ahead in the water boy derby
     
  9. Saint_JimmyG

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    Well, McGregor didn't train the '79 side...the 'Old Fox' did.

    And given Bath was a far superior coach than McGregor could ever hope to be, I reckon (hypothetically, of course) that he could've come up with a suitable game plan to beat Melbourne.

    The '79 side had the three assets you've mentioned in abundance, notwithstanding aggression. The likes of Rod Reddy would've belt the stuffing out of Smith and co.
     
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  10. kit66

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    To be fair we lost 6 tries to 5 against Melbourne with no Widdop. That's McCrone and Mann vs Cronk and Munster, not to mention Smith and Slater and Melbourne ( 2016 Grand Finalists ) going on to win the Minor Premiership by some margin and then flogging NQ in the Grand Final. The legendary Mr Bath would've had the same cattle vs the Big 3 and the Super Coach, don't know that he'd have done much better.
     
  11. BennyV

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    Disagree, the errors and capitulation against the Knights/Dogs (not to mention other games) rest largely with McGregor. He has instilled a culture throughout the club that near enough is good enough, as well as showing that it’s acceptable to thrust blame in every direction and take on oneself. Hell, the amount of times the guy states that his target is to win 50% of games, or ‘win x games to make the 8’, the way he trumpets ‘we did well in the stats’ and his ridiculous referral to tries off kicks and barge over tries as if they don’t matter are an embarrassment to this club! And this poor excuse for leadership is reflected in the way the players take the field.

    All on him.
     
  12. kit66

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    Yeah but guess what......he's our coach for 2018....OMG we're all gonna die !
     
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    Agree we’ve been mentally weak for a while. On field leadership has been lacking, first with Creagh as captain, now with Widdop. Close losses to the Dogs, Knights, Souths and Raiders all glaring examples. Thats 8 points that went begging.

    I never have confidence with the game on the line with 15 to go as we have no inspiring leader to get us home.

    This is where I hope guys like Graham and Hunt will add the most value.
     
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  14. BennyV

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    Die, no.

    Fail, almost certainly.
     
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  15. Old Timer

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    Honestly?
    Storm put the cue in the rack after 60 minutes and we got 2 late consolation tries.
    We were lucky they didn't give us a complete bath (excuse the play on words).
    Far too many fans look at the score line without realising many close scores were in actual fact games we were never going to win as the opposition switched off.
    The games we lost to teams below us tell the real story and I'm sure Mr Bath would have better strategies in that area.
     
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    Graham and Hunt will provide on field leadership and will
    The old fox Harry Bath should not be mentioned in the same breath as Paul McGregor.

    McGregor is a one trick pony.

    When the power game falters there is no plan B. He doesn't have the capacity to adjust the game plan when things go sour.

    Paul sets low expectations, in the hope of "overachieving."

    Harry took a group of kids to 2 grand final victories after Langlands and Smith had retired.

    Its like comparing Phar Lap to a donkey !
     
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  17. Old Timer

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    Not a donkey and Ass
     
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  18. muzby

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    Completely disagree.

    You line any side from 1979, size, skill and gameplay as per the era, up against any team from 2017 and the modern day sides will win every match.

    Even with a leather ball.
     
  19. nontime111

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    its the ATTITUDE of the 79 players we need and so badly lack. dont you get it? over payed soft c**k poonces....
     
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  20. kit66

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    Cue in the rack ? Switched off ? Is that what happened. What a luxury that must be to be so supremely confident against a team that's 2nd on the ladder and have won 6 from 8 ( One loss in golden point ).
    Maybe you mean they got a bit tired, I don't think Bellyache or Smith do "cue in the rack".
    It wasn't 2 late consolation tries after the 60 minute mark, it was 4, 3 tries in 12 minutes from the 60th minute then a late try on the bell. I'm more inclined to think it was our forwards winning their battle and a 60/40 possession to us that did it, but unfortunately too late. With Widdop we could have done a lot better considering he was carving it up before his injury and would have stepped up against his old team.
    The better team won - actually they lost just 4 games from 27 last year.
     

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