Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by RedV Resurgence, Dec 28, 2017.
Nene is either a lazy bastard or he has no ticker.
Why not? We did it after the 2016 season where Mann, who topped the scoring despite only appearing in half the games, was relegated to NSW Cup and then the bench for the 2017 season. Would be a better wing option for the left IMO.
It’s the tries that went begging that tell Flo it’s time up. If you watch our last game where he was put in clear space and run down over 10m by Chase f**king Stanley and still think he is our best option to finish our most potent attacking edge, you need to be more subjective.
Add that to the times he was bitchslapped by opposition wingers with whom he couldn’t keep up, and 2017 should have been it for Flo.
Respectfully will disagree. Not that 2017 should have been his final year,.. but rather that we have no professional option on the wing.
Sure, he has had his moments, but as to a ready replacement ... i dont see it. May come in 2018 when we blood some juniors.
I have seen Lafai / Aitken / Nene and co all run down by opponents. That should not be the factor. LIke i said, he's not fast , never was. Like Dugan his worth will be highlighted when he is gone. Dugan saved more tries than he scored. If we had a ready winger I would ask Flo to retire. We dont. In fact, we have a very suspect backline. JUst my 2 cents worth.
I feel a bit sorry for Mann, he's like an actor who's been type-cast, for us as a utility player. He doesn't seem to be viewed as a permanent option in any one position. It's his skill and versatility that's led to it. He's good enough to take over from Nightie ( maybe over qualified in fact ) but it won't happen or if it did it would only last until he's needed elsewhere to cover an injury or during rep time. I'm very surprised another team hasn't approached him with an offer of a more permanent role somewhere in their backline, we're lucky to have him.
Kurt Mann will get a regular wing spot this year. Macdonald will move to the centres and either lafai or aitken will be dropped or injured. Both those guys are injury prone.
MacDonald is a dud IMO, whether it's Centre or wing. They should have released him to Manly rather than Thompson. I know we have an abundance of talent in the backrow, but Thommo could easily have played left centre better than what we have and No worries about our "D" with him on the edge.
Don't agree. Nene has the skillset and size to be a quality back. His problem with pace and laziness, is because he is carrying too much pudding. For me, it's as simple as that.
Strip 7-8kg off him and we will see him improve.
People are correct in saying Flo was never fast but they miss the salient point that he is now even slower.
The game has moved on long since 2010 and the professional finishing winger are replaced by speed machines that can score long range tries and / or run down players who make breaks and Flo can do neither of these.
Benny V is 100% correct in his analysis that Flo scored the easy ones but failed miserably to score the golden opportunities that presented themselves and in fact was run down so quickly after any break he made that opposition defences had little to do in reorganising themselves.
When quick wingers make long breaks opposition defences are in complete disarray and tries very often result in the next 2 plays.
Flo's score card of tries scored and opportunities missed indicate to me that any competent fast winger could have scored >95% of what Flo scored as they were laid on a plate but the real problem is how many tries could a fast competent winger have scored that Flo didn't due to a complete lack of speed and then of course there is the question how many tries were scored on Flo's side after he was beaten for pace?
The question of who to replace with can only be answered by not selecting him and giving someone the opportunity to a young gun to show his wares.
No doubt if the injury prone Glymin had of managed to stay on the paddock Flo would have already been gone.
Give Lomax a shot there FFS
100% correct he carried far too much pudding last year and in fact had also done so at the Titan's at one point but they kicked his arse and got him back down to correct playing weight.
You would have to wonder how the high performance team didn't see that he was much bigger and slower than when he played his best footy at the Titans?
Maybe the coach just likes slow blokes on the wing?
Millward in saying he is keeping an eye out for an outside back for 2018 is admitting that one or more of last years outside backs are not up to the job. To me Mann is not one of those players, I believe he should be one of the first picked in either a wing or centre position.
Going on last years form, Aitken, Macdonald and Nightingale should be in the cross-hairs for demotion to reserve grade with Mann, Lomax and another young gun having an opportunity to be promoted by showing outstanding form in the trials.
Over the years we have seen what happens when some great players stay that one season too long. It does not serve the team well, memory of the player is tainted and puts the coach's selection decisions seen as based on loyalty rather than form.
Well in terms of a ready-made replacement, Mann is the obvious one - to score tries at the rate he did in a far poorer performing team, at the end of a far less potent left edge attack, shows his value. TBH he should be the first back picked next year.
You wont see me arguing that Lafai/Aitken/Nene shouldnt be put on notice but despite the tries he scored (and let's be honest, there were very few that weren't put on a platter for him by Widdop or Lafai) he showed many crack this year. He wasnt as safe under the high ball, he was slower to turn and less reliable in defence and he was dominated more easily on hit ups. Yes, he's got an insane amount of heart and courage and we (the fans) will miss him when he's gone, but I'd rather that than him get the Dean Young/Nathan Fien treatment of playing a year too long and holding back other options.
No argument from me re Mann bud. In fact i have posted numerous times he must be in the 13 and not wasted on the bench.
If he is benched, I wouldnt begrudge him leaving.
Gypsy plays with passion 100% of the time. Gypsy is getting old and slow but he makes an effort every game.
Nene on the other is slow and makes a lot of mistakes. He doesn't look like his making a 100 effort.
i totally agree. Biggest dud and disapointment last year .
Not a big deal, we have plenty of youngsters coming through that will will play with speed, skill and enthusiasm.
If you could transplant Nightingale's heart into Nene we might have something.
Nene had a poor 2017, far too many errors and misreads in defence it's true. I'm hoping he has a really strong pre-season, he would know that his position is on the line with the likes of Field, Mann, Garrick and Herbet all pushing for a spot. If he does retain his position though he should benefit greatly from having Hunt providing good ball and accurate kicks down his side. I'd also like to see him get a lot more early ball, he might not be the fastest winger but he's big and strong and knows how to set up his support players once he's made a break. Our attack down the right last year was shit and you can't blame all that on Nene.
Just on Lomax, the kid played under 20's last year, did he get any game time with the Cutters ? Is he actually ready to play full time 1sts or would we be better giving him a start in reserves and introducing him slowly to 1sts, a few runs off the bench or possibly a run during Origin. There's a lot of hype but he's only 18, what are his chances realistically ?
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