NFL Draft Season 2018

[kurt faulk]

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so here's an interesting tidbit.

Rich Hammond‏Verified account@Rich_Hammond
So the Rams started with a fifth-round pick, No. 160 overall. They sent it to Denver for Aqib Talib. Then they got it back today, for two sixth-rounders, and drafted Okoronkwo. So basically they got Talib and Okoronkwo for two sixth-round picks.

12:10 PM - 28 Apr 2018

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[nick87]

Eagles draft class ends up being Jones, Darby, Ajayi, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat and a couple of project tackles
Not too shabby

 

[ElectricEelMan]

Hated the selection of Josh Allen by the Bills.

He has the highest chance of all the QBs taken in the first round to be a colossal bust.

So many are obsessed with arm strength they forget that is just one very small component that goes into making a quality QB. Bills have fallen into the trap before and they fell into it again.

Now watch Allen become a superstar.
I hope he does

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Hated the selection of Josh Allen by the Bills.

He has the highest chance of all the QBs taken in the first round to be a colossal bust.

So many are obsessed with arm strength they forget that is just one very small component that goes into making a quality QB. Bills have fallen into the trap before and they fell into it again.

Now watch Allen become a superstar.
I hope he does

The most concerning thing about Allen is how he consistently stares down targets. It can be coached out to some degree but watch any highlight reel of the guy and almost every throw he makes he telegraph's the throw for 2 or 3 seconds. You can get away with that in college, you get torn to shreds in the nfl

 

[shiznit]

Been away in New Caledonia and Vanuatu for the past couple of weeks... missed the draft and purposely stayed away from all the news since I wanted to watch it in it’s full entirety without it being spoiled...

Just watched the first round and caught up in the rest...

Crazy, crazy draft...

Pretty meh from a Raiders perspective though...

Will delve deeper into it when I see more of the later rounds...

 

[shiznit]

Having the best guard of a generation is a step up from having the best punter of a generation I guess.

Both nice to have, and both you only really notice if you have a terrible one.... and neither are worth a top 10 pick.

I also would like to single this post out as one of THE dumbest things I have ever seen on these NFL boards...

Are you f**king serious??

So geniused...

 

[AusKnightRKO]

Been away in New Caledonia and Vanuatu for the past couple of weeks... missed the draft and purposely stayed away from all the news since I wanted to watch it in it’s full entirety without it being spoiled...

Just watched the first round and caught up in the rest...

Crazy, crazy draft...

Pretty meh from a Raiders perspective though...

Will delve deeper into it when I see more of the later rounds...

Went on a cruise? The first round was insane, Sutton to the Broncs was a steal, Packers getting Jackson was fantastic for them as well

 

[shiznit]

Went on a cruise? The first round was insane, Sutton to the Broncs was a steal, Packers getting Jackson was fantastic for them as well

Yeah mate... the Mrs managed to pry me away at the worst time...

I had to go dark so I didn’t spoil anything.

Enjoyed the trip though...

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Nice. Did the New Cal/Van double for my honeymoon many moons ago.

The eating was insane. So much good food.

 

[macavity]

I also would like to single this post out as one of THE dumbest things I have ever seen on these NFL boards...

Are you f**king serious??

So geniused...

Stand by my comment - no guard is worth a top 10 pick.

 

[nick87]

This is a new NFL, interior pressure is the jam. Guys like Aaron Donald, and a lesser extent Fletcher Cox can absolutely WRECK games. A QB can deal with outside pressure, if they can step up and deliver, there is very little they can do when the pressure comes inside

the eagles doubled down with aquiring Micheal Bennett who's a monster on passing downs inside. The Rams paired Donald with Suh... it's not to stuff the run. They want interior pass rush. That's the trend of the league. Now we see the reaction, teams want quality guard play to counteract that.

I can tell you for a fact this eagles team does NOT win the SB with Seumalo and Warmack, who they tried wanted to win the LG job, they were given every chance and made life VERY difficult, it was by the grace of god that we had Wisniewski to step in and give us quality play in that spot that made all the difference

devaluing of guards is a fools errand. I dont know if Nelson is worth a top 10 pick, but many scouts say he's a potential HOF guard and if thats who he winds up being, there is a VERY good chance history views him as the best pick in this entire class. Which is absolutely worth a top 10 pick.

 

[macavity]

I get what you say... but the likes of Donald, Suh etc are not a dime a dozen - they are unicorns. I guess if you play in the NFCW you have to game plan to play them twice a year, but the Colts have holes everywhere... trade down and try to plug them.

I guess O-line is their biggest weakness so there's that - and yeah he will probably make me look foolish...but a guard at 6 is a huge investment.

 

[shiznit]

Stand by my comment - no guard is worth a top 10 pick.

If your going to have that attitude than Barkley shouldn’t have been a top 10 pick either...

seeing as the vast consensus is that teams can get very productive RB’s outside of the first round.

Your interior line is one of the most important areas in the game these days because not only are there genuine beasts like Aaron Donald around who will just single handily wreck your shit...

NFL defensive fronts have now changed to the point that they are now moving DE’s across the line and sweeping underneath to the a gap.

The defences are getting more and more complex that teams now have specialist rushers they use exclusively in sub packages just to give them a match up advantage and that includes match ups on the interior.

There’s a reason why good guards very rarely make it to free agency. And they are now paid more than RB’s.

If Nelson is what they say he is... he will be well worth a top 10 pick.

 

[nick87]

The Barkley top 10 pick is interesting
Bill Barnwell really went into it and from a cap perspective, taking an Rb that high eliminates the main benefit of a good rookie
Barkley is already a top 4 paid Rb, he will be top 2 by the time his deal finishes up, and then you either have to leave him at the pay or up it, unless you’re letting him walk

Tough spot for a contract

 

[shiznit]

The Barkley top 10 pick is interesting
Bill Barnwell really went into it and from a cap perspective, taking an Rb that high eliminates the main benefit of a good rookie
Barkley is already a top 4 paid Rb, he will be top 2 by the time his deal finishes up, and then you either have to leave him at the pay or up it, unless you’re letting him walk

Tough spot for a contract

To Barkley’s defence he’s not your average RB.

He’s a Lev Bell type of genuine hybrid RB/Receiver who can line up in the slot or even out wide.

So i could stomach paying a big contract to that type of talent.

He just needs to be more durable than Bell. The Steelers have problems with giving Bell the type of money he wants because his durability has meant he’s been missing in key moments in past seasons.

If Barkley can consistently be out on the field providing Lev Bell type of production than teams will pay him that type of money IMO...

 

[nick87]

Yeah that's a fair point, it's just an interesting discussion to have around the cap. I think the steelers are having the same issues with the Lev Bell contract. Who wants to pay 12-15mil per year, long term for a RB?
the benefit of other positions is that they arent in a salary crater like the RB. To the discussion before re Nelson, even guards are getting paid now. RB's are not.

Also i just think the giants handing Darnold to the jets is something they'll regret for the next decade... Doubling down on Eli is going to get an entire FO and coaching staff fired imo

 

[shiznit]

Yeah that's a fair point, it's just an interesting discussion to have around the cap. I think the steelers are having the same issues with the Lev Bell contract. Who wants to pay 12-15mil per year, long term for a RB?
the benefit of other positions is that they arent in a salary crater like the RB. To the discussion before re Nelson, even guards are getting paid now. RB's are not.

Also i just think the giants handing Darnold to the jets is something they'll regret for the next decade... Doubling down on Eli is going to get an entire FO and coaching staff fired imo

Yup... with the value you get later on and with the drop in salary for later picks if you’re eyeing a running back early they have to be almost generational type talents.

Im not a Steelers fan so i could be wrong... but with Lev Bell i think it’s almost a case of the Steelers would LIKE to pay him... but when you consider his lack of durability as well as his age at the back end of the contract he wants and then add in the plummeting of the RB market... the value just isn’t there for them.

And i think your bang on with Darnold too... and it goes hand in hand with our discussion on the value of RB’s...

the Giants may not have valued Darnold at #2... but it should not have been passing on an opportunity to get a QB to future proof themselves.

They could well have traded back and picked up Josh Rosen or Josh Allen and then with the ammo they had acquired moved back into the late first and grabbed a Sony Michel.

They could potentially have ended up with Rosen/Allen, Michel and an extra first for next year.

Instead of Barkley & Hernandez...(although those two are great picks also).

I just don’t think putting all your eggs in the Eli basket this late in his career is a very good idea when you are picking so high in a rare draft class with so many QB’s with a first round grade.

 

[Haffa]

I posted this during the draft. They have the second pick in the draft and they skip over their future QB options. For such a normally brilliant run organisation they’ve screwed up in my opinion.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

I posted this during the draft. They have the second pick in the draft and they skip over their future QB options. For such a normally brilliant run organisation they’ve screwed up in my opinion.

The problem is with QB's is that there is no such thing as a sure thing drafting a QB. IMO I think Mayfield was the only QB who is the closest to that mark in the draft. Rosen has huge questions over his attitude and physical resilience, Darnold has the highest floor and close to highest ceiling but his body of work isn't particularly exciting, Allen will be a bust.

You're taking a gamble with a massive contract picking QB at 2. Unless they're guaranteed year 2 pro ready and who knows how long Eli will continue to play, you're taking a pretty big cap hit for a guy just to sit there.

I think the cost for Barkley is way too high but he is guaranteed to contribute. Lauletta has the potential to actually be one of the best QB's drafted in this class, he'll cost them virtually nothing and he can develop under Manning for 2 or 3 years. I was really hoping the Broncos picked up Lauletta if they didn't draft a QB in the 1st round.

 

[shiznit]

The problem is with QB's is that there is no such thing as a sure thing drafting a QB. IMO I think Mayfield was the only QB who is the closest to that mark in the draft. Rosen has huge questions over his attitude and physical resilience, Darnold has the highest floor and close to highest ceiling but his body of work isn't particularly exciting, Allen will be a bust.

You're taking a gamble with a massive contract picking QB at 2. Unless they're guaranteed year 2 pro ready and who knows how long Eli will continue to play, you're taking a pretty big cap hit for a guy just to sit there.

I think the cost for Barkley is way too high but he is guaranteed to contribute. Lauletta has the potential to actually be one of the best QB's drafted in this class, he'll cost them virtually nothing and he can develop under Manning for 2 or 3 years. I was really hoping the Broncos picked up Lauletta if they didn't draft a QB in the 1st round.

Are you serious??

Salary is one of the BIG reasons drafting a QB is appealing.

If they grabbed a QB at 2 they would essentially be paying him about 6-7M a year for potentially the next 5 years.

That’s chump change for a QB.

Obviously taking out the other guys on rookie deals... you would essentially be paying him about half of what Tyrod Taylor makes... 3-4M less than what Josh McCown makes...