Our forward pack - positional changes

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  1. dragonssamy61

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    Agree Gareth
    I think we need someone who is a hard nut with plenty of mungeral.
    We need a hard man.
     
  2. dragonssamy61

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    True
    He was going great but a few injuries has halted his progress.
    I would have behind lowrie.
    But only young and with a full of season he sould be ready.
     
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  3. Blood Shot Eyes

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    Read all the comments re forward changes/ideas.....some I agree with some not quite sure tbh......but one position that hasnt been discussed is hooker.....in my opinion McInness neads to run the ball more from dummy half.....if you look at the Hookers that have caused problems to opposition forwards lately Hunt (Bris) Cook( Souths) Hodgson (Raiders) Randell (Knights) Peats (TItans) they all have great running games and continuously put the opposition forwards on the back foot which as a result gets easy metres and takes a lot of pressure of his forwards....unfortunately McGregor fails to rectify this area of McInness game
     
  4. Gareth67

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    True Saint , Red V Resurgence and gentlemen , yes indeed there certainly are the players needed in the juniors , to help build a solid forward pack for a successful Dragons future . As in regards to Kerr , the young bloke has more then served his apprenticeship in the lower grades and next year he should be blooded into the top grade along with a number of the other younger players . More so now that the fringe forwards will no longer be at the club .

    I don't believe that I would be alone in saying that should the Dragons lose another match , then go ahead and begin to blood these younger blokes in the remaining 3 matches . Playing against the Broncos and Bulldogs packs would give them good experience and stand them in good stead for season 2018 .
     
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  5. JDHD

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    Fonua-Blake was let go for kicking his partner. We don't need wife-bashing human landfill like him in the club.
     
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  6. Uplifting

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    I have a high opinion of all our players in general but watching that first half performance against the Bunnies... our forwards struggled to gain momentum.

    Vaughan has led the way in the past but those super performances can't be sustained all year long.

    I think a players natural physicality should dictate where they play. For instance Friz runs harder than anyone, has explosive speed and strength but he exerts too much playing in the middle. It's no wonder he's having injuries.

    Others exert just as much effort but start looking tired when being held up by big defenders. You don't get a muscle car to do the job of a truck right?!
     
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  7. JDHD

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    I thought the pack were phenomenal, it was our outside backs and a lack of polish on our last play options from the halves that did more damage.
     
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  8. dragonssamy61

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    BSE
    He has been told to get the ball to widdop or mccrone as soon as possible.
    Agree he sould run more .
    He also can kick but is restricted with the way we play
     
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  9. Bests Golden Boots

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    Cause if there's one thing we want it quicker ball to McCrone, those 7 tackle sets aren't gunna give themselves away.
     
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  10. JDHD

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    f**king hell McCrone nearly killed me on Friday. He missed two tackles that led directly to two tries, gave away three penalties (including the penalty goal they kicked when down by 12), gave away several 7 tackle sets, kicked out on the full at least once and failed to find touch with a penalty kick.

    I mean my god, if he's the best kicker in the whole club, as Mary has consistently stated, what the f**k have the coaching staff been doing? And I mean the entire coaching staff. How is he our best option??
     
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  11. Old Timer

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    In respect of Packer I don't think he is that big a bopper nor am I convinced that he makes all that much ground.
    His greatest asset to our team is his ability to play the ball quickly as that gives us a roll on or gains us a penalty with a free ride downtown.
    He has great upper body strength to get the wrestlers off him and get to his feet before they do.
    His technique is terrific and a smart coach would have him training all our other players how to replicate it.
    As he has got tired / busted during the season this facet off his game has diminished and his value lessened as a result.
     
  12. Carlton

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    I agree 100% Old Timer, Packer was brilliant at hitting the line, going to hands and knees, not getting rolled onto his back and playing it quickly. And you are right he has not been as good at this lately.
     
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  13. Datramp

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    Ah Mau has been brilliant at prop. In the past he was maligned for his lateral defense. He definitely should not move into the back row.
     
  14. JDHD

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    Bang on. You could count the number of times he's been put on his back this season on one hand. He hits the line, drops, gets up and plays the ball as fast as anyone in the comp.
     
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  15. True_Believer

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    Exactly.

    I also don't think the pack is exhausted from the 'power game'. It appears that way because we aren't making as much ground as we were in the first half of the year. The reason for this is that opposition is aware of our game plan and compressing their defense and getting multiple people in the tackles. We just don't have a plan B to compensate for this - everything we do is predictable and stagnant. Even the attack - although not as lacking as previous years, has no real creativity.

    And to add to that, we have developed a massive hole on our right side defence throughout the year.
     
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  16. Slippery Morris

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    I have been one of Leeson's critics especially under the Price years when Price made the poor fella play 80 mins, but I feel he has been great the last couple of year especially this year. Forwards are doing ok, it is the bloody halves and backs that are not taking advantage of their good meters sometimes. Most tries are also scored wide because our backs are gettinb caught out especially McCrone. Not many tries scored down the guts mostly out wide which shows the forwards are doing OK. They also seem to make good meters but lately they haven't because they don't look 100%. Tyson, Vaughn and De Belin are playing busted. If they won against Dogs, Knights, Souths and Titans they would be in a position to rest but they dodn't so unfortunately they are now going to play busted.
     
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  17. Saints Forever

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    We need to play Sele, Leilua, Host and Lawrie.

    4 forwards required on the bench with a clever rotation. The kids need minutes.

    Yes I know Mary is still coach.

    Once they have a dozen games under their belts you will see a different group of players.

    Playing Marketo and or Matthews is short term thinking that will get us nowhere.
     
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  18. Maxwell

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    Agree LAM should com off the bench as a prop, I would blood and persevere with Kerr , saw him against Penrith and he is a big body but maybe because he is playing in a losing culture , he just plays in fits and bursts. Lucio should be included on the bench and come into game maybe as a impact player, in paly what he see's and go where he wants. He is just wasted and is not even given a go in top company, because of dud coach we have. He falls under that category player who we release to another club and becomes a star.
     
  19. hermidale1

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    And how do you come to that conclusion?

    The kid is still young and learning and your professional opinion is he's not good enough.
     
  20. Slippery Morris

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    Why didn't Luciano get a run at all this year in NRL? All this talk about him and based on last year, he did ok. Saints re-sign the kid and never play him?
     

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