Our predicted lineup R1

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  1. Dragonslayer

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    At thIs stage Sims has to be the bench prop along with LAM. Host should get first crack at the edge forward roll IMO.
    If we go with 4 forwards on the bench then i'd have Leilua and Sele as the other 2.
     
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  2. Dragonslayer

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    Your 2 missing bench for reverve grade ag thus stage will probably come from TJ Uele/Jay Gallagher as the prop and Ryan Fletcher as the bench hooker.
     
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  3. watatank

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    I think that the team posted is a good prediction of what McGregor will do but it would be a mistake to go with that forward rotation. If we go with that rotation we should start games really well but then we will just drop off like many times in the past. We need something more balanced. I'm probably the only one that thinks this but I would swap Ah Mau (starting prop) and Graham (interchange prop) and swap Sims (to play interchange prop) and Host (starting edge forward) to give the squad better balance.
     
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  4. giboz71

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    Agree with Host starting and Sims to the bench (as prop), but what value is LAM starting with Graham on the bench??
     
  5. watatank

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    Balance.

    Ah Mau's role doesn't change that much no matter where he plays but I think that the team could benefit from Graham's defence and experience in the middle of games. We have had a tendency to drop off then and we don't seem to have this problem at the start of games. Also helps us when we are trying to develop players like Lawrie and Sele who aren't ready to start games.
     
  6. possm

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    I would prefer a Vaughan / Graham start and a Sims / Ah Mahau bench mainly because I think Vaughan and Graham will get us on top in the forwards early and wear out the opposition. Sims will had thrust to our bench and Ah Mahau will hold firm just as always.

    My preference was always for a fourth first grade prop to be purchased for 2018 with Sims and Frizell starting and Host and Leilua on the bench..
     
  7. RufusRex

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    We have 2 x 80 minute back rowers in Sims/Frizell ... So people naming 3 back rowers on the bench ie host/leilua/Aitken are pretty much as bad as Mary in team selection an potential use of the bench.

    Hunt will turn Frizz into the best right edge forward in the NRL (if he isn't already) .. playing him in the middle is just loony tunes.


    Two props, an impact back rower and a hooker/util on the bench please ...

    So that means - Ah Mau, ???, Leilua, ???

    Our squad is still missing players. Otherwise we will just name blokes like Mann on then bench, not use him and wonder why we are run over at the end with tiring forwards.

    Two bench props - straight swaps at the 20 minute and 60 minute mark ... 4 interchanges used and all 4 props play 40 minutes ... That is 4 of the 8 interchanges down

    A bench hooker/lock type can come on and give breaks to McInnes/DeBelin ... We were so stupid to get rid of Havili ... That is 2-3 more interchanges used

    A tactical use of the bench to inject a bloke like Leilua in for impact ..



    We were so shit at the end of last year because we did things like play Frizz in the middle and waste 3 interchanges on him and then wonder why we have bench players with just 5 and 10 minutes used.

    Ideally we have a player like Young starting at hooker play 15min there to open then bring on McInness and have the starting hooker move to lock to give JDB a break then sub off. 2 interchanges and you get 30 min from the starting hooker, 65 min from McInnes and DeBelin with the half time break also giving them a breather.

    Do this and you ensure 40 minutes from 2 of our bench players, 65 from your third and a tactical injection from the 4th ...
     
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  8. Carlton

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    If you have a player that has a unique skill set you dont try to change that you develop a game plan that uses that players skills and the rest of the teams skills (you dont try to change them either) taking into consideration the oppositions strengths and weaknesses.

    This crap about Dugan cant pass was because the sweep play we ran was so clunky and this was not Dugans fault alone. It started inside him with slow indecisive play from the halves and outside him with a lack of speed or block busting finishers to give the ball to.
     
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    Since when has Sims & Frizzell been 80 minute players?
    Frizzell may be a chance when fully fit and of course so is De Belin but Sims is anything but an 80 minute player.
     
  10. RufusRex

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    In 2 minutes of searching

    Round 9 - Friz 80 minutes vs Storm ... 84 minutes vs the Roosters the week before
    Round 23 - Sims 80 mins vs the Titans ... 80min vs the Broncs the following week ... Both games he was listed as playing front row but he played edge with Friz playing middle.

    JDB plays 60-65 most weeks.
     
  11. RufusRex

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    Sims 80 min round 25 as well .. only 72 in round 26 as Sele needed his 8 minutes ... (f**k YOU MARY)
     
  12. RufusRex

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    I do concede that Sims could play 40 min prop from the bench and satisfy that part of the prop rotation with Host playing 80 at left edge.

    I think though that Sims is our 2nd best edge forward in front of Host ... He is potentially our 4th best prop as well so that makes his selection open to interpretation.

    The bigger issue is the 4th bench spot and ensuring we don't burn McInnes out ... his output waned throughout the season and running game definitely suffered at times because of it. Can play 80 but should play 65
     
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    What site? Just asking cos the nrl.com doesn’t have that info available at the moment
     
  14. RufusRex

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    nrlstats ... I had old cached links of games from last season in my browser.
     
  15. watatank

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    Fair enough
     
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    Ummm...Nighty managed 5 try assists last year in his limited appearances at FB. Dufty managed 3 in 6 games. Both would have ended up with double digit TA’s if they played a full season at FB (which should be par for a FG fullback). All with the same players and same coach.

    So no, I don’t agree with you. The lack of success running backline moves with Josh at FB was largely on him I’m afraid.
     
  17. Old Timer

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    With all due respect a couple of instances dies not make them “80 minute” players and further more Frizz ended up badly busted so all the more reason too use him wisely not indiscriminately.
    De Belin I think in 2016 plated 80 minutes a fair bit ( could be wrong) and has shown his fitness levels and endurance are more suited to 80 than almost everyone else but again he got busted last year on the back of the extra workload he took on as everyone around him got even more busted.
    The rotation is not easy but relying on a couple of 80 minute players to get it right is a very dangerous plan IMO.
     
  18. BennyV

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    As I've mentioned, the drop from Simms to our next best edged back rower (Host) is far les than our drop to our next best prop. Plus Host wouldnt need to play 80mins on the edge, he would be building to that but ideally you'd use that spot to rotate him and Leilua until you can find a way for Leilua to provide impact in the middle.
     
  19. RufusRex

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    its more than a couple though and I understand what you are saying ... I also do not know what the root of Frizell's injury was - was it impact or stress .. I know that when he struggled to play minutes the bench rotations went pear shaped and we lost a lot of momentum/consistency.

    If you go host as the starting back rower and Sims off the bench as a prop and you lost one of Friz/Host early then you could put sims in there and rely on Graham/Vaughan playing longer minutes or use Leilua
    for more than a 20 minute impact cameo.

    Also I have no doubt that Friz/Sims/Host could play centre if we lost one of them early in the game.

    To me though, the bench player we must have and don't is the one who can play Hooker/Lock ... It completes the puzzle and gives us a reasonable amount of flexibility. I do prefer a Havili style util on the bench over a Mann style one.

    I will be interested to see how Havili goes at Canberra - hoping that he proves Mary to be a dolt (although not when he plays us).
     
  20. BennyV

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    PLaying 80mins as an edge backrower and 80mins as a lock are two very different beasts. Friz is definitely an 80minute edge backrower, the only time he gets substituted is when McMoron playing him in the middle for strange reasons.

    PLaying JDB for 80 minutes all season would result in a monstrous burnout, and quickly (similar to McInnes). He's got the ability to pull it off if needed but you'd be mad to rely on it all year.
     
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