Past results

[Slackboy72]

I'm wondering if anyone knew of a place on the net where I could get past results for EVERY game since 1908?

I was interested by the idea of the worst finals loss possibly racking up to Newcastle on the weekend when the previous worst was during a time when the scoring was different. I also wanted to see if any ladders or finals matches changed if you revalued tries and field goals.

Any help?

 

[bartman]

Every game is probably pushing it... You should be able to find all the competition ladders and finals online, but not necessarily the result of each comp game?

There's a lot of old info if you dig around at a site called the Vault: http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~maajjs/ - but it hasn't been updated since 1997.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You'll find your answers here:

http://stats.rleague.com/

St.george beat:

Parramatta 42-0 in 1964 (50-0 in today's scoring)
Norths 47-7 in 1965 (58-8)


Souths beat:
Wests 45-7 in 1956 (56-8)
Manly 42-14 in 1951 GF (50-16)

Easts beat:
St.George 38-0 in 1975 GF (46-0)
Wests 41-5 in 1980 (49-6)

Cronulla beat:
Canterbury 52-10 in 2001

 

[*Paul*]

The site mentioned by LeagueXIII belongs to me, if there's anything specific you'd like to know, just speak up.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

And a brilliant site it is Paul. My first point of call for stats and just about always the last.

On the record final wins, we beat Cowboys the same score (50-6) last year.

 

[Slackboy72]

Well basically I'm curious if there are any games where the result would be reversed if we used current scoring. I think 69 major semi and preliminary finals being a case in point.

I'm not so concerned about making comparisons with record scores or margins (particularly as the game was completely different back then) but rather seeing if outcomes were adversely affected by undervaluing tries and overvaluing field goals.

Naturally the argument opposing that is that when tries were less valuable teams decision making was influenced so they were more likely to take shots at goal than they are now. But I still find it an interesting question.

 

[*Paul*]

Also just to expand on those other finals scores, 30 point wins under current scoring systems

58            66-8 Newtown v St_George(55-7)     26-Aug-1944
50            8-58 Norths v St_George(7-47)      04-Sep-1965
50            0-50 Parramatta v St_George(0-42)  05-Sep-1964
48            56-8 Souths v Wests(45-7)          18-Aug-1956
46            46-0 Easts v St_George(38-0)       20-Sep-1975
44            6-50 North_Qld v W Tigers(6-50)    09-Sep-2005
44            50-6 Brisbane v Newcastle(50-6)    16-Sep-2006
44            12-56 Warriors v Parramatta(12-56) 09-Sep-2001
43            49-6 Easts v Wests(41-5)           20-Sep-1980
42            10-52 Canterbury v Cronulla(10-52) 16-Sep-2001
40            0-40 Easts v Parramatta(0-33)      19-Sep-1982
38            46-8 Souths v Wests(38-6)          10-Sep-1927
38            4-42 Glebe v Norths(3-35)          06-Sep-1922
36            40-4 Balmain v Souths(33-4)        02-Sep-1939
34            6-40 Easts v Newcastle(6-40)       08-Sep-2001
34            46-12 Manly v Wests(37-9)          08-Sep-1951
34            46-12 Canberra v Souths(46-12)     12-Sep-1987
34            42-8 Newtown v Norths(34-7)        04-Sep-1943
34            16-50 Manly v Souths(14-42)        23-Sep-1951
34            10-44 Manly v Norths(8-36)         27-Aug-1952
32            6-38 Easts v St_George(6-31)       03-Sep-1960
32            42-10 St_George v Souths(35-8)     01-Sep-1951
32            4-36 Newtown v Souths(4-30)        02-Sep-1950
32            4-36 Glebe v University(3-29)      04-Sep-1926
32            38-6 Parramatta v Penrith(38-6)    07-Sep-1985
32            34-2 Brisbane v Cronulla(34-2)     06-Sep-1997
32            2-34 St_George v Wests(2-27)       04-Oct-1930
30            38-8 St_George v Wests(31-7)       20-Aug-1960
30            30-0 Canterbury v Melbourne(30-0)  21-Sep-2003
30            10-40 Balmain v St_George(8-32)    23-Aug-1941

 

[*Paul*]

I'm not so concerned about making comparisons with record scores or margins (particularly as the game was completely different back then) but rather seeing if outcomes were adversely affected by undervaluing tries and overvaluing field goals.

Up until 1966 field goals weren't always described as such, usually not - so the 2 or 1 pt difference can't really be determined.

Perhaps this is why it's a lot rarer than I thought, only 26 games would the result have been reversed, and a further 150 games when a draw would've resulted instead. Also 56 draws would've had decisive outcomes.

In Round 7, 1969, Norths with 4 tries and 3 goals, lost to Wests by 3 (1 try, 5 goals and 4 fgoals), now they would've won by 4. But of course, as you say, you wouldn't be potting fgs if they were only worth one, when a bomb might get you six. Saints scored 5 tries to 2 v Souths in 1970 and also came out on the wrong side of the ledger.

 

[jamesgould]

Man, 1975 GF goes from 38-0 to 46-0 under present scoring ... makes the demolition even more impressive!

I wonder if we will ever see the likes of that again in a decider? I suppose the early 2000s were when we really saw the most big games decided by wide margins, but the weekend showed it can still happen.