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Rd15: Parra v Souths live game day thread 14/6/18

IFR33K

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That’s not the point it was a BS charge and we should of fought it.

They will keep charging our club with Bs charges if we just keep pleading guilty. A couple of ones against Mau come to mind.

No fight on the field and no fight off it.

Seen two other crushes on the weekend, not sure if they eventuated into charges.
 

Gronk

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It was a BS charge, no different to what the Souths bloke did earlier. Show footage of both and then say what’s the difference FMD it’s not that hard.

Why wouldn’t you fight it???

Mau has had a few BS charges against him the last few years and we have never fought one.


The club is weak as piss on and off the field.

Baseless hyperbole. Clubs only contest when the player is of significance and there is more upside than downside.

Name one club that contested a charge for a 2 game NRL player ?

Your angle that our club is weak therefore we don't contest charges of full of more holes than our left hand defence.
 

hineyrulz

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Baseless hyperbole. Clubs only contest when the player is of significance and there is more upside than downside.

Name one club that contested a charge for a 2 game NRL player ?

Your angle that our club is weak therefore we don't contest charges of full of more holes than our left hand defence.
Its not the point who it is, it was a BS charge and we should of fought it.

As is said Mau has had some bogus charges against him over the years and we just copped it sweet. I would argue he has been one of our best players in the time.

I’ll say it again weak as piss on and off the field.
 

IFR33K

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Its not the point who it is, it was a BS charge and we should of fought it.

As is said Mau has had some bogus charges against him over the years and we just copped it sweet. I would argue he has been one of our best players in the time.

I’ll say it again weak as piss on and off the field.


I could use a few other words to desribe our shit club.
 

Gronk

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Its not the point who it is, it was a BS charge and we should of fought it.

As is said Mau has had some bogus charges against him over the years and we just copped it sweet. I would argue he has been one of our best players in the time.

I’ll say it again weak as piss on and off the field.

Again it is all about individuals, carry over points and upside vs downside.

You'll need to be more specific about Manu otherwise you are just ranting for the sake of ranting.

What you need to understand is that the system provides an incentive to accept the charge and loads you should you elect to contest.

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Below does not provide details of recent reforms which apply fines for minor breaches)

https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/02/02/judiciary-code-reforms/
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The NRL has a robust system for incidents of alleged illegal or foul play.

Step 1: Match Officials.

Whilst there have been some issues with referees this season (both on the field and in the Video review), the motivation has been to ensure the fairest possible adjudication. Plenty of work to do and the evolution of match officials to be discussed post season. Do we continue with two referees will be an agenda item?

Step 2: Match Review Committee.

This group of people sit and watch all games conducted over the weekend. I have not seen this process in action but I assume any incident worthy of scrutiny is identified then compared to other incidents that have already been graded previously.

Greg Inglis getting a Grade 4 Dangerous Contact must have been compared to other Grade 4 charges similar in nature or a Grade 3 charge and deemed to be worse than any of these. Every 100 points = 1 match suspension. Any leftover is ‘Carry Over’ if another charge occurs during the season (eg Greg Inglis = 550 points but 412 points with Early Guilty Plea = 4 match suspension + 12 points ‘Carry Over’). Doing a very good job in difficult circumstances. Not for the person looking for accolades from the Clubs.

Step 3: Charges and Player decision.

The system allocates points for each charge then takes into account the players individual history with previous charges/outcomes. Some players will outright plead NOT GUILTY (like Sam Kasiano) whilst others will plead GUILTY but dispute the grading applied to their charge by the Match Review Committee (like Greg Inglis and Ben Te’o).

Most players will plead GUILTY. They receive a 25% discount on the total number of points incurred from their charge(s). For Greg Inglis and Ben Te’o and their dispute of their grading - Unsuccessful = Original points allocation with No discount. Successful = Lower number of points + 25% discount. This is the gamble with challenging the grading or the charge and appearing before the Judiciary Panel.

If Greg Inglis is unsuccessful, he will receive a 5 match suspension (550 points). If he had taken the Early Guilty Plea with 25% discount, he incurs a 4 match suspension (412 points).

Step 4: Judiciary Panel.

If any player disputes his charge grading or his charge altogether then they appear before the Judiciary Panel. I have no idea how these panels are formed or how you become a member but it is comprised of ex-players.

NRL prosecutes the charge and grading. Player defends it. Greg Inglis wanted to dispute the grading. He felt a Grade 2 was fair, the NRL charged him with a Grade 4 and the Judiciary panel returned with a Grade 3. He effectively won his case and will serve a 3 match suspension. (Grade 3 = 400 points + 25% discount = 300 points)

In my opinion, the NRL’s Match Review and Judiciary system is both fair and responsible. The system has been copied by other sports and whilst players and clubs may not be forthcoming in their praise, it continues to improve and evolve to protect rugby league and its players.

There has been plenty of polarised opinion on Greg Inglis, Ben Te’o, Travis Burns and last week Sam Kasiano. There can be some disappointment or happiness with the results but the system allows for the NRL and any player to defend their reputations.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2012/07/27/nrl-judiciary-system-explained/
 

hineyrulz

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Lol not reading all that shit Gronk, it wasn’t even a penalty let alone worthy of a charge.


But you be happy with how things are being run Gronky.
 

Gronk

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Lol not reading all that shit Gronk, it wasn’t even a penalty let alone worthy of a charge.


But you be happy with how things are being run Gronky.

Take your blinkers off and pull your fingers out of your ears mate.

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Gronk

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Ok Mr Google you find the last time we challenged anything at the Judiciary.

My money was on the bs Junior Paulo charge, and even then we only tried to get it downgraded.

That's not the way it works mate. If you have an allegation, you need to back it up with facts otherwise your name is mud.
 

hineyrulz

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That's not the way it works mate. If you have an allegation, you need to back it up with facts otherwise your name is mud.
My allegation is the club is as weak as piss on and off the field.

As if I would need a source for that, you keep supporting these muppets no matter what they do.

It’s vety exciting.
 

Bazal

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Ok Mr Google try and answer this question without deflecting or posting a stupid pic.


Did Mahoney deserved to be charged??? Yes or no??

It doesn't matter if he deserved to be or not. He was.

At this point it becomes a case of "is he likely to get off if we fight the charge?" Based on the history of the judiciary lately, I'd suggest that it's unlikely...
 

hineyrulz

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It doesn't matter if he deserved to be or not. He was.

At this point it becomes a case of "is he likely to get off if we fight the charge?" Based on the history of the judiciary lately, I'd suggest that it's unlikely...
So we just bend over and cop it???

It was a BS charge, an identical one happened a few mins earlier and there was no penalty let alone a charge.
 

Bazal

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So we just bend over and cop it???

It was a BS charge, an identical one happened a few mins earlier and there was no penalty let alone a charge.

Lol, f**k you carry on like a twat sometimes...it's not about copping it, it's about carry over points and extra weeks. He had, with this charge, 165 points for an early plea. Add the 50 odd penalty for an unsuccessful challenge and it's suddenly two weeks. You'd go off like a bomb if that happened, I'll bet

FFS, use your head mate...He has two charges in two matches, you reckon the judiciary is gonna care the charge was BS?
 
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