Ridiculing Religion 2 - The Ridiculining

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  1. OVP

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    If you want a good laugh, watch the video in the link ...

    http://www.news.com.au/world/pacifi...s/news-story/021a90571625130470ac908596946793

    NZ ‘bishop’ Brian Tamaki says earthquake caused by sinners, homosexuals, murderers
    November 17, 20166:01pm


    Bishop Brian Tamaki blames gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes


    Rohan Smithnews.com.au@ro_smith

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    WHAT caused the deadly earthquake that ripped up roads, toppled buildings, caused landslides and killed two people on New Zealand’s South Island last week?

    Shifting tectonic plates? Nope.

    At least, not according to a New Zealand preacher Brian Tamaki.

    He reckons it was Mother Nature expressing her opinion about homosexuality. And it’s not the first time he’s come up with such a theory.

    Remember the Christchurch earthquake in 2011 that killed almost 200 people? Again, it was the gays, Tamaki says.

    “(The Book of) Leviticus says the earth convulses under the weight of certain human sin,” he told worshippers at his controversial Destiny Church on Sunday.

    “It says it spews itself up after a while. That’s natural disasters, because nature was never created to carry the bondage of our iniquity.

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    Entire roads were cut off. Picture: Sam Shepherd, NZ Defence Force/AAPSource:AAP

    “So you get earthquakes. You hearing me? Take note, you’ll forget it out the door, but if next year this happens you’ll know why.”

    He said Christchurch was “everything but Christ-Church” and the city was being sent a message from God because the city helped launch a marriage equality movement.

    “It had the highest murder rates, it was a haven for those who were absolutely anti-Christ in every way. It was the representative from that city that first put in motion gay marriage in 2003.”

    Right-o.

    New Zealand Prime Minister joined a growing number of New Zealanders condemning the comments.

    “It’s ridiculous, isn’t it? I mean, give me a break. You always get people coming out with these stupid statements (after a natural disaster),” Mr Key said.

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    State Highway 1 south of Kaikoura suffered extensive damage. Picture: Marty Melville/AFPSource:AFP

    Other Kiwis — more than 75,000 — took it a step further, signing a change.org petition demanding the New Zealand government classify Destiny Church as a hate group and strip it of its tax-free status.

    Change.org Australia told news.com.au it was the fastest growing petition on the site on Thursday.

    Amar Anthony from Auckland signed the petition. He said he was a passionate God-fearing man but could not stand for Brian Tamaki’s theories.

    “In my opinion, Brian Tamaki and his doctrine is unbiblical and disgusting,” he wrote.

    “Tamaki and his lifestyle is far away from Christ-like values. Shame on you, Brian Tamaki, you are an arrogant, self-centred piece of filth. You bring nothing but shame to Christianity.”

    Others on social media voiced similar outrage.

    The magnitude 7.8 quake that struck on Monday left hundreds of tourists stranded in Kaikoura after landslides blocked off all access. It cut train and vehicle access to the town.

    In Wellington, several buildings in the centre of the New Zealand capital of Wellington were evacuated over fears of collapse.

    The earthquake was felt more than 250km from Wellington, and was followed by dozens of powerful aftershocks.
     
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  2. Meth

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    Tamaki has long been a moving target with NZ's media and he never fails to offer ammunition to them. In my view, he is errant and unqualified to teach.

    I think a Christian view would be that the 'earth is subjected to futility and burdened by the weight of sin', tracing back to the Fall. However, most Christians would equate the formulamaic ideas of judgment (God sent *natural disaster x* to punish *city x* for *action x*) as a step into lunacy.
     
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  3. Mr Spock!

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    Yes earthquakes happen because Adam and Eve ate a fruit...

    Christians have so perverted that story.

    Ancient stories and legends had no understanding of tectonic plates but such incidences must be a result of humans displeasing the god somehow....
     
  4. Bandwagon

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    So in his own special way, this Tummyachy fella is saying that the city deserved it....

    Ok then..............
     
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  5. Meth

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    hugely offensive to my neighbours, but we've had a bit of that over the last few years. Had a bloke that read cat paws convincing a bunch of people that he knew how to predict earthquakes.
     
  6. Meth

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    Ozbash was one of the guys he convinced.
     
  7. Bandwagon

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    f**king cats paws?

    Holy snapping duck shit batman.
     
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  8. Surely

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    Wellingsodom and christgomorrah
     
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  9. Meth

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    to be fair, he didn't predict the earthquake based on the readings of the cat paws....it was something to do with the moon
     
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    Thank f**k for that.

    for a moment there I thought the world had gone mad.............
     
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  12. Meth

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    Yeah, he's a nutcase. And a proven fraud. His predictions are the equivalent of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. But he still has his followers, bizarrely.
     
  13. gUt

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    I wonder how many Catholics are aware of their cult's role in this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...priests-and-nuns-in-killings?CMP=share_btn_fb

    Rwanda genocide: Catholic church sorry for role of priests and nuns in killings

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    Necklaces and crucifixes hang over a pile of shoes belonging to some of those who were slaughtered as they sought refuge inside a church in Ntarama, Rwanda. On Sunday, the Catholic Church in Rwanda apologised for its role in the 1994 genocide. Photograph: Ben Curtis/AP

    The Catholic church in Rwanda apologised on Sunday for the church’s role in the 1994 genocide, saying it regretted the actions of those who participated in the massacres.

    “We apologize for all the wrongs the church committed. We apologize on behalf of all Christians for all forms of wrongs we committed. We regret that church members violated [their] oath of allegiance to God’s commandments,” said the statement by the Conference of Catholic Bishops, which was read out in parishes across the country.

    The statement acknowledged that church members planned, aided and carried out the genocide, in which more than 800,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed by Hutu extremists.

    In the years since the genocide – which was sparked by a contentious plane crash that killed the president, Juvénal Habyarimana, a Hutu – the local church had resisted efforts by the government and groups of survivors to acknowledge the church’s complicity in mass murder, saying those church officials who committed crimes acted individually.

    Many of the victims died at the hands of priests, clergymen and nuns, according to some accounts by survivors, and the Rwandan government said many died in the churches where they sought refuge.

    The bishops’ statement is seen as a positive development in Rwanda’s efforts at reconciliation.

    “Forgive us for the crime of hate in the country to the extent of also hating our colleagues because of their ethnicity. We didn’t show that we are one family but instead killed each other,” the statement said.

    Bishop Phillipe Rukamba, spokesman for the Catholic church in Rwanda, said the statement was timed to coincide with the formal end on Sunday of the holy year of mercy declared by Pope Francis to encourage greater reconciliation and forgiveness in his church and the world.

    Tom Ndahiro, a Rwandan genocide researcher, said he hoped the church’s statement would encourage unity among Rwandans.

    “I am also happy to learn that in their statement, bishops apologise for not having been able to avert the genocide,” he said.
     
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    Prior to the genocide, Rwanda was the most christian country in Africa.
     
  15. Pantherjim.

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    Absolutely disgusting.
     
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    Be fair gUt, they did say sorry, again.
     
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    Hunting god in the brain: Spiritual experiences light up neural reward circuits
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    A scan shows regions of the brain that become active when devoutly religious study participants have a spiritual experience(Credit: Jeffrey Anderson)

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    Millennia-old religious faith and cutting-edge neuroscience seem an unlikely pairing, but by combining the two, researchers have uncovered new information about our brain's response to spiritual experiences. The team observed the brain's reward circuits in Mormons as they engaged in spiritual activities, finding that they activated reward regions in a very similar fashion to other stimuli like gambling, drugs, sex and love.

    Of course, the fact that people have been engaging in religious practices for thousands of years suggests that they get something from the experience, but the physical response that it triggers in the brain has been something of an unknown. Recent, rapid advances in imaging technologies are now giving scientists the means to explore these types of questions, as Jeff Anderson, neuroradiologist at the University of Utah, explains.

    "Functional imaging has really undergone a revolution over the last 10 years," he tells New Atlas. "There are new types of MRI sequences which let us image much faster, so we can scan the entire brain more than once a second. This gives us so much more information and now effectively lets us freeze head motion, artifacts from heartbeats and breathing, and lets us measure more precise changes in the brain."

    Anderson and his team used these technologies to investigate the brain activity of 19 adult Mormons, each a former full-time missionary, as they engaged in sessions designed to trigger spiritual feelings. These ran for an hour apiece and included tasks like reading passages from the Book of Mormon, listening to quotations by Mormon and other religious leaders and watching church-produced biblical videos.

    During the sessions, the subjects were repeatedly asked the question "are you feeling the spirit?" This question pertained to the subject's feeling of peace and closeness to God, something that forms an important part of their religion and influences everyday decision-making. The answers ranged from "not feeling" to "very strongly feeling," and the researchers say across the board the types of feelings were typical of an intense worship service, with some feeling peace and warmth and others driven to tears.

    "When our study participants were instructed to think about a savior, about being with their families for eternity, about their heavenly rewards, their brains and bodies physically responded," says lead author Michael Ferguson.

    More specifically, these powerful spiritual feelings coincided with activation of the nucleus accumbens, a brain region that is critical for processing reward. They were also associated with the medial prefrontal cortex, a complex brain region that is engaged through tasks involving valuation, judgement and moral reasoning, along with other regions associated with focused attention.

    The research is part of a venture called the Religious Brain Project, launched by University of Utah researchers two years ago in an effort to learn about how the brain behaves in deeply religious and spiritual people. This is the first study carried out by the group, which says it hopes to investigate other religions further down the track.

    "We would love to study other religious practices and experiences, and are continuing to design experiments," says Anderson. "We also have a great deal of information from our current study about the effects of in-group and out-group religious leaders' messages on the brain, effects of religious guilt on the brain, and specific brain networks engaged during prayer. We will continue to move these results through a rigorous peer review so we can share these as well."

    The research was published in the journal Social Neuroscience.

    Source: University of Utah

    http://newatlas.com/power-of-prayer-brain-circuits/46677/
     
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    Feels good man.
     
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    A recent study has found about one-third of people can, if prompted, 'remember' or at least believe events that never actually happened.

    It is a confronting finding in an era when fake news is said to be proliferating online and has been blamed for influencing the recent US presidential election.

    The study from the University of Warwick in the UK surveyed 423 people, and found that 30 per cent could recall things that had never actually happened to them.

    Associate professor Ullrich Ecker researches memory at the University of Western Australia, and told 720 ABC Perth the way the brain stored memories meant it was often unreliable.

    "Lots of people think memory works a bit like a video tape, but it is more like a jigsaw puzzle," Dr Ecker said.

    "If you experience an event, that event may consist of many different pieces of information."

    Memories stored in different parts of brain
    An event such as attending a football match for the first time as child creates not one memory, but many separate ones.

    "You go to the stadium, see the people, see the stadium, smell the meat pies, hear the crowd. You will have an emotional response, thoughts, you know who is with you," Dr Ecker said.

    "All those details are actually processed in different areas of the brain and that is also where they are stored.

    "So for you to remember and re-live that experience later on, you actually need to put all those pieces back together again."

    However, unlike a jigsaw puzzle, our brains will allow us to put pieces together that do not fit — and this is why memory can fail or perpetuate wrong information.

    "That's what this research shows — we can actually build totally new pictures out of all kinds of puzzle pieces that are not actually related," Dr Ecker said.

    "The main function of memory is actually not to remember stuff; one of the main functions of memory is to allow us to imagine things and to plan the future."

    Creating false memories 'quite easy'
    Dr Ecker said the University of Warwick findings confirmed what memory researchers had found in many previous studies — that it was quite easy to give people false memories.

    The study involved interviewing young adults about various childhood experiences that had been verified with their parents.

    "They interviewed the young adults and asked them the events and to tell them more details about them, but they also asked about events that never actually happened," Dr Ecker said.

    "The events might be a trip on hot air balloon or being lost at the mall.

    "Then they asked that young adult to try and re-live that experience, think back to it, remember it.

    "It turns out about a third of people actually develop false memories.

    "They imagine these things and they think they are remembering it."

    A further 20 per cent accepted a false event had actually happened to them, but did not develop a false memory.

    Finding 'lost' memories
    The consequences of the study could be greatest for court cases, where great weight is placed on eyewitness evidence, sometimes years after an event has occurred.

    It also has implications for psychotherapy and attempts to recover so-called 'lost' memories.

    "People can forget traumatic events from their childhood and then remember them again, but the evidence says these memories usually come back spontaneously without the person trying," Dr Ecker said.

    "If you are trying to work towards recovering a lost memory, that is often when you get these false memories."



    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...mber-events-that-never-happened-study/8127954


    Belongs in this thread I think
     
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    Another interesting article from the Inquisitor Feb 4 2015.Just adding to the overall debate, on what the hell are we doing here?

    :Human Soul Found? Quantum theory of consciousness 'Orch Or'

    " A controversial quantum theory of consciousness called Orch Or(Orchestrated Objective reduction) recently had a review .and the scientists supporting this idea are claiming the recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neutron correlates their beliefs.

    In most religions ,the totality of being human is divided into three parts: mind, soul and body.These religions typically equate the mind to the physical human brain ,which works in conjunction with an immaterial human soul.What has had philosophers and scientists arguing for thousands of years is exactly how this process functions from a mechanical viewpoint.

    When it comes to philosophy of the mind, dualism and physicalism have competed in the beliefs of scientists, with the latter claiming that all that exists in our world ,including consciousness is physical.

    On the side of physicalism ,some scientists claim the soul or consciousness can be reduced to mere computations conducted within the neural networks in the human brain,which means all consciousness can be explained by algorithms.

    Other scientists believe that quantum processes attributed to the human soul work in partnership with the observable neurological processes to produce the experience of human consciousness.although one is not completely dependent on the other to function.
    Essentially these scientists claim the human brain is a quantum computer, and the informational state of quits are influenced by the human soul.

    One such scientist is Stuart Hameroff (Prof Emeritus at teh Dept of Anaesthesiology and Psychology,and Dir.for Consciousness Studies at the Uni of Arizona .He and Sir Roger Pensose mathematical physicist at the Mathematical Inst.and Wadham College and Uni. of Oxford,beleiev overall brain function derive from quantum level microtubule vibrations.

    They note "the origin of consciousness reflects our place in teh universe, the nature of our existence.Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neutrons,as most scientists assert?Or has consciousness,in some sense been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?'
    This opens a Pandoras Box they note" But our theory accommodates both these views ,suggesting consciousness derives form quantum vibrations in microtubules ,protein polymers inside brain neurons,which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organising processes in the fine scale ,'photo -conscious"quantum structure of reality."

    In other words ,they believe they've found scientific evidence for the human soul.They claim six testable prediction published in 1998 have been fulfilled, and none have been falsified.

    As an example, they cite "the recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neutrons"which is big deal since man-made quantum computers typically require icy conditions in order to function at all.In addition they point to research which suggests"anaesthesia,which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities,acts via microtubules in brain neutrons."

    From a religious perspective, Hameroff believes their Orch OR theory "could also account for near death experiences, out of body experiences, and even the afterlife."
    Hameroff actually believes "consciousness:" has been in the universe all along, perhaps from the Big Bang.
     
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