Ridiculing Religion 2 - The Ridiculining

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  1. Snoop

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    The reason is quite clear in the text Spock. Because the virgins did not take part in the defiling of Israel at Peor.

    We've already been through the capital punishment discussion.

    No test. If the man were to have sex with a women who was not his wife he was either obliged to marry and care and provide for her or if she was already betrothed or married he was to be punished.

    Again, I don't agree with what they did. I'm just pointing out that you claim that boys who were raped were killed is not true.
     
  2. sportive cupid

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    So the concept of rape is really about violating (ie taking something from )another man rather than about the woman who is violated .If she is married to (the possession of)another man than its a crime .If she isnt then he now owns her .

    This is consistent with the patriarchal nature of the Church. Woman as possessions of men rather than equal humans.

    Also why Im so puzzled that gay marriage is seen as a progressive concept as marriage is deeply traditioned in these sort of conservative concepts
     
  3. Snoop

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    No. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from what I said.
     
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    Its my conclustion from what is presented .Not from what you said .

    Where have I misinterpreted things ?
     
  5. Snoop

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    When you thought I was specifically talking about rape. What has been presented that would lead you to think men own their wives?
     
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    All the discussion is about men's actions and consequences for men.

    The concept of virginity is only applied to women and only relevant in the context of its impact on men .for wimen its just about how presentable for marriage they are .

    The concept of rape is seen to occur only outside of marriage.Its as if choice for women doesn't exist ,nor is it part of the consideration in the criminality or wrongness of an action.
    The wordings of the passages and readings discussed here are highly patriachal.
    It is in effect instruction for men on how to conduct their lives with women just another part of that life to negotiate-like any other possession.

    Its not a comment on you ..its about Christian teachings really.
     
  7. Snoop

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    Oh there is no doubt that these laws were given to a patriarchal society but they were given to protect women within that society. Christianity continues to uphold the protection of women. In fact husbands are commanded to love their wives to the point of even dying for them.
     
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    Protection doesn't legitimise patriachy .
    Women dont need protecting when they are afforded equal status.
     
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    Is that what's happening in all those murder /suicides we hear about?
     
  10. Mr Spock!

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    What Snoop doesn't want to realise is that Jesus himself believed those laws were patriarchal.
     
  11. Snoop

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    No, Snoop just thinks it absurd to suggest that the command to die for your wife could be misconstrued to mean kill your wife. It is the exact opposite.
     
  12. Mr Spock!

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    Well you could if she committed adultery or had her hymen broken before her wedding.

    Are you denying this?

    When the boot was on the other foot however.......


    It in fact shows that you can't spoil a married man's property.

    There is no way in the world that is protective of women...Here's another one. Men could divorce a woman for anything whenever they wanted....a woman could not divorce ....AT ALL....not for rape...nor domestic violence....nor sexually abusing her kids.......even in latter centuries women had to get permission of the man to divorce.
     
  13. Snoop

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    Keep up Spock. We are discussing Ephesians 5:25
     
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    What an absolute load of crap, fancy having to resort to lying. Not a new concept for you.
     
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