Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[martielang]

The average wage if the roster was split evenly is a tad over $300k per season.

The games absolute best are earning 3 to 4 times that. He wasnt even on double that.

Roosters have signed Angus Crichton for alot more than that. Hes not a rep forward, is less e perienced and hasnt yet shown the same match winning potential as Cartwright.

Highly skilled players are worth that risk. Especially the ones who have shown they can win matches. Hard to put a price on match winning plays. A one off isnt something worth going crazy over. But a player who has shown they can do it multiple times and still has huge room for improvement. $500k is nothing. Every club in the NRL would set aside $500k for that in a heartbeat.

I rate Cartwright but give me Angus Crichton over him every day of the week. Not even close IMO.

 

[franklin2323]

So does Gould deserve criticism for overpaying him?

I have said many times I fail to see how we were right on the cap last season. With so many young guys we should of kept room to upgrade as they earnt it. Not pay on potential

 

[Pomoz]

The bold stats are why I am so sick and tired of hearing about us making It to the top 8 two years in a row off the back of two of the softest draws we could ask for, we cant beat good teams, we are flat track bullies and we went backwards last year and still extended him, its jobs for the boys at Penrith still.

Goulds 7 year rebuild has us as a mediocre side the last two years with not much prospect of getting better this year and we still have uncertainty surrounding key positions going forward, but hey apparently we are building(by releasing more talent then any other club).

Context is everything. In 2016, we introduced an 18 year old halfback. Soward, who suffered from various injuries through the year, played 12 games. Our 5/8th was a back rower who at that point had played 28 games. Our other 5/8th, TMM played 6 games, he was 20.

In 2017 we had a 19 year old halfback and a rookie fullback who had played 1 game in 2016 on the wing. We also played a rookie 5/8th who managed a total 5 appearances. We had the second or third youngest roster (an article in the Telegraph confirmed this). Our 2016 5/8th had terrible off field issues including the unfortunate suicide of a young lady and a pregnancy splashed over the front pages. Unless Hook set him up with the girl and stole his condoms I fail to see how that is his fault.

You say we are mediocre and Hook inherited a brilliant roster. No he didn't, what we really had was a side with rookies in the spine positions and a young roster. Gus tried to sign Carney. He tried to sign Thurston. Instead he got Soward, who to be fair was good for us until his body gave out.

Hook took what he had, rookies in key spine positions and made them competitive. Unfortunately our club captain, a key spine player, also turned out to be a party animal. No other team with such a young roster in key positions is in the eight. Is it perfect? No, but you do not provide any balance to the discussion. You choose to ignore any context.

Things are neither as bad as you say, or as good as Gus would say. Somewhere in between is about right.

 

[mxlegend99]

Context is everything. In 2016, we introduced an 18 year old halfback. Soward, who suffered from various injuries through the year, played 12 games. Our 5/8th was a back rower who at that point had played 28 games. Our other 5/8th, TMM played 6 games, he was 20.

In 2017 we had a 19 year old halfback and a rookie fullback who had played 1 game in 2016 on the wing. We also played a rookie 5/8th who managed a total 5 appearances. We had the second or third youngest roster (an article in the Telegraph confirmed this). Our 2016 5/8th had terrible off field issues including the unfortunate suicide of a young lady and a pregnancy splashed over the front pages. Unless Hook set him up with the girl and stole his condoms I fail to see how that is his fault.

You say we are mediocre and Hook inherited a brilliant roster. No he didn't, what we really had was a side with rookies in the spine positions and a young roster. Gus tried to sign Carney. He tried to sign Thurston. Instead he got Soward, who to be fair was good for us until his body gave out.

Hook took what he had, rookies in key spine positions and made them competitive. Unfortunately our club captain, a key spine player, also turned out to be a party animal. No other team with such a young roster in key positions is in the eight. Is it perfect? No, but you do not provide any balance to the discussion. You choose to ignore any context.

Things are neither as bad as you say, or as good as Gus would say. Somewhere in between is about right.

Soward played 12 games in a row and was drooped. He wasn't carrying injuries. He was flat out dropped. Played reserve grade for 3 weeks in a row and then requested a release when he knew he couldnt get back into the team despite playing well in reserve grade. He played some poor footy that year. But we still won our one and only games against a top 4 team with him. He had more to offer at 6 than Carty did.

Hook is the reason we havent settled on a halves pairing in 2 years. He spent his final 3 years doing the exact same thing at Broncos.

The club was in better shape than ever when Hook arrived.

 

[snickers007]

The club was in better shape than ever when Hook arrived.

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

 

[OldPanther]

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

Due to an injury curse year which is an anomaly.

 

[franklin2323]

Context is everything. In 2016, we introduced an 18 year old halfback. Soward, who suffered from various injuries through the year, played 12 games. Our 5/8th was a back rower who at that point had played 28 games. Our other 5/8th, TMM played 6 games, he was 20.

In 2017 we had a 19 year old halfback and a rookie fullback who had played 1 game in 2016 on the wing. We also played a rookie 5/8th who managed a total 5 appearances. We had the second or third youngest roster (an article in the Telegraph confirmed this). Our 2016 5/8th had terrible off field issues including the unfortunate suicide of a young lady and a pregnancy splashed over the front pages. Unless Hook set him up with the girl and stole his condoms I fail to see how that is his fault.

You say we are mediocre and Hook inherited a brilliant roster. No he didn't, what we really had was a side with rookies in the spine positions and a young roster. Gus tried to sign Carney. He tried to sign Thurston. Instead he got Soward, who to be fair was good for us until his body gave out.

Hook took what he had, rookies in key spine positions and made them competitive. Unfortunately our club captain, a key spine player, also turned out to be a party animal. No other team with such a young roster in key positions is in the eight. Is it perfect? No, but you do not provide any balance to the discussion. You choose to ignore any context.

Things are neither as bad as you say, or as good as Gus would say. Somewhere in between is about right.

Great post. no doubt will get spun around but it is what we are. Best of the rest a good team but not great

 

[franklin2323]

Due to an injury curse year which is an anomaly.

We finished 2016 with no:

Blake
RCG
Hiku
McKendry
Whare
TMM cameback last but missed 16 weeks


Last year:

Blake
Latu
Moylan
McKendry
Browne

May got injured in semi. Wallace was busted

Throw in Merrin missing chunks of the season. Same with Bryce and Mansour

It has hardly been smooth sailing since either

 

[franklin2323]

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

hahahahaha

 

[mxlegend99]

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

That's not a statistic. That's more like a bit of trivia.

Statistics are facts. Bookies get rich off them.

 

[snickers007]

Due to an injury curse year which is an anomaly.

Hence the need for context...

 

[OldPanther]

We finished 2016 with no:

Blake
RCG
Hiku
McKendry
Whare
TMM cameback last but missed 16 weeks


Last year:

Blake
Latu
Moylan
McKendry
Browne

May got injured in semi. Wallace was busted

Throw in Merrin missing chunks of the season. Same with Bryce and Mansour

It has hardly been smooth sailing since either

Blake drops the ball too much

RCG has dodgy facial hair

Hiku is Hiku

*Big Sam sacrificed his knee for our sins so gets a pass.

Whare couldn't handle the pressure of passing to a literal god so pretended to be injured.

TMM was a future QLDer.

Latu was also a future QLDer.

Moylan was doing shots through his nose.

Browne is from the Dogs.

We literally miss nothing here.

Disclaimer: this is a shitpost.

 

[herbert henry1908]

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

Off the back of the worst injury plagued season we’ve ever had.

Compare hooks record here to the broncos. It’s identical.

Couldn’t beat top 4 teams there, can’t beat them here.

 

[herbert henry1908]

We finished 2016 with no:

Blake
RCG
Hiku
McKendry
Whare
TMM cameback last but missed 16 weeks


Last year:

Blake
Latu
Moylan
McKendry
Browne

May got injured in semi. Wallace was busted

Throw in Merrin missing chunks of the season. Same with Bryce and Mansour

It has hardly been smooth sailing since either

2015 was far worse than any.

There’s every reason to believe that Cleary would’ve matched Hooks record in 2016 & 2017.

 

[OldPanther]

When Hook arrived, we had just survived a Round 26 Wooden Spoon off with Newcastle.

See how easy it is to remove context and spout random statistics as fact?

Sorry. Misinterpreted your comment.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Great post. no doubt will get spun around but it is what we are. Best of the rest a good team but not great

Parramatta made the top 4 last year.

If that squad can, then we should’ve been matching them too.

We weren’t ready to win a title, but we were absolutely better than 7th spot.

 

[franklin2323]

Parramatta made the top 4 last year.

If that squad can, then we should’ve been matching them too.

We weren’t ready to win a title, but we were absolutely better than 7th spot.

They finished the same weekend as us though both 2nd week of the finals

 

[franklin2323]

2015 was far worse than any.

There’s every reason to believe that Cleary would’ve matched Hooks record in 2016 & 2017.

Maybe he would of maybe he wouldn't of either. It is all hypothetical now

 

[OldPanther]

Tfw your joke falls flatter than a dodgy pancake.

 

[mxlegend99]

They finished the same weekend as us though both 2nd week of the finals

They matched our season with an inferior roster. Their forward pack was pretty much considered shit as far as names on paper go, but it would have destroyed ours.

RCG and Yeo are the only two forwards that wouldn't look outclassed in their pack.