Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[mxlegend99]

Josh McCrone had more try assists in less games than Cleary in 2017.

McCrone looked great on paper.

He had awesome stats. Ahead of many million dollar halves. Stats don't show when players go full genius though.

They need a way to measure that. To find out which of BJ Leilua and Will Smith is the king of those moments.

 

[herbert henry1908]

McCrone looked great on paper.

He had awesome stats. Ahead of many million dollar halves. Stats don't show when players go full genius though.

They need a way to measure that. To find out which of BJ Leilua and Will Smith is the king of those moments.

No one is arguing Cleary isn’t a consistently safe option.

Not sure safe is going to win us premierships though.

 

[umina panther]

No one is arguing Cleary isn’t a consistently safe option.

Not sure safe is going to win us premierships though.

Its won the Storm plenty, Easts too and Cronk/Piss are who he's consistently compared to

 

[herbert henry1908]

Its won the Storm plenty, Easts too and Cronk/Piss are who he's consistently compared to

Yeah but the storm had consistency all over the park.

They had the best hooker & fullback of the last 30 years, give Cleary that and he’ll win premierships too.

 

[umina panther]

Yeah but the storm had consistency all over the park.

They had the best hooker & fullback of the last 30 years, give Cleary that and he’ll win premierships too.

Fullbacks are much easier to find than good halves

 

[herbert henry1908]

Fullbacks are much easier to find than good halves

You think we can find a fullback approaching Billy Slaters ability? Good luck.

Storm are basically the same team without Cronk, it’s clear Slater & Smith are more important to that team.

 

[OldPanther]

You think we can find a fullback approaching Billy Slaters ability? Good luck.

Storm are basically the same team without Cronk, it’s clear Slater & Smith are more important to that team.

Roosters are top 4 and easily prem favourites.

 

[umina panther]

Roosters are top 4 and easily prem favourites.

And this is my point. Teddy while good is a very limited fullback with almost zero playmaking ability.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Roosters are top 4 and easily prem favourites.

They came second last year in the regular season. They brought Cronk in for the big game experience.

So far I wouldn’t say he’s improved that team.

 

[herbert henry1908]

And this is my point. Teddy while good is a very limited fullback with almost zero playmaking ability.

Dude Cronk has had his worst season ever. Only 5 try assists.

Cronk hasn’t improved the roosters, they were already pretty good.

 

[umina panther]

They came second last year in the regular season. They brought Cronk in for the big game experience.

So far I wouldn’t say he’s improved that team.

Because Cronk to Pearce is a sideways move for the most part

 

[herbert henry1908]

Because Cronk to Pearce is a sideways move for the most part

A 35 year old Cronk, pretty much.

A 30 year old Cronk shits all over Pearce.

Roosters won 17 games last year, they’ve won 15 this year with 2 to go. Where’s the improvement?

The proof of the Cronk signing will be in the finals.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think there’s a misunderstanding of comparisons anyway.

Perhaps Cleary is comparable in style to Cronk, but he’s not comparable in ability.

This was the same thing that cropped up with Moylan. The comparisons of him to Lockyer were over style not ability.

Anyway the most relevant comparison for Cleary is Mitchell Pearce. He’ll never reach the heights of Cronk.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

Can anyone name a time paying someone around a million dollars purely on potential has ever worked well for a club?

 

[umina panther]

Can anyone name a time paying someone around a million dollars purely on potential has ever worked well for a club?

A million dollars isn't what it used to be. It is the going rate for halves moving forward

 

[Matthew Ellis]

A million dollars isn't what it used to be. It is the going rate for halves moving forward

And has that worked out for well for any club? Not paying a million to an established consistent player of that ability like Cronk but to someone like Ash Taylor? Has any club ever done it and succeeded off the back of it ever? Perhaps instead of copying failures we should think what would the Storm do. And they would only give to a proven gun like Munster.

 

[herbert henry1908]

$1m might will be the going rate for halves one day, but it’s not right now.

The average right now is likely closer to the 700k mark.

There’s 32 starting halves in the comp, it’s only maybe 20-25% earning more than $1m.

 

[OldPanther]

And has that worked out for well for any club? Not paying a million to an established consistent player of that ability like Cronk but to someone like Ash Taylor? Has any club ever done it and succeeded off the back of it ever? Perhaps instead of copying the average club we should think what would the Storm do.

The Storm are a bad example as they are still reaping the benefits of the salary cap cheating. They'd get who they want when they want at the price they want because they have Smith, Slater and a coach who looks like a super coach because of said players.

 

[umina panther]

And has that worked out for well for any club? Not paying a million to an established consistent player of that ability like Cronk but to someone like Ash Taylor? Has any club ever done it and succeeded off the back of it ever? Perhaps instead of copying failures we should think what would the Storm do. And they would only give to a proven gun like Munster.

So the ever spinning revolving door at the Penny Panthers just keeps turning then? At some point we need to pick and stick or we'll never win anything. Cleary is worth backing

 

[franklin2323]

Say we sign Cleary for 4 years. That takes him to 2024...How many halves will then be on $1m a season? You never pay a players current worth. You take the gamble the value will be there over the course of the deal