Rumours and Stuff XXXI

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  1. Bazal

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    Paulo and Tolman played pretty much the same minutes last weekend.

    Tolman 60 mins, 20 runs, 170m. 8.5m a run and 1 tackle break
    Paulo 61 mins, 22 runs, 189m. 8.6m a run and 2 tackle breaks

    Tolman is ridiculously underrated.
     
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  2. I'm a loser baby...

    I'm a loser baby... Coach

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    Foran went from costing 800K to 1.2 million. And his injury history worsened. And he had mental health issues. 'Letting him go' was the right move.
     
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  3. I'm a loser baby...

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    How the f**k did Paulo last 61 minutes? He looks huge.
     
  4. Bazal

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    He's averaging 59 minutes this season.

    Which also puts paid to the idea that Tolman plays significantly more minutes, given he's averaging 60 mins....
     
  5. I'm a loser baby...

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    Seems so. They must have Billy Rogers on the bench.
     
  6. RazorRam0n

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    he was on 1.2m with us as far as he was sold.

    we're damn lucky to be let off with that 400k from him walking.
     
  7. Bazal

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    Paulo has only played 2 top 8 sides (Cronulla and Brisbane) and made 72 and 97m.....I was upset to lose him to a point, but holy shit some blokes overrate him on here.

    he made 211m against the Titans, but I reckon Gary could make 100 odd against them. He's the David Warner of prop forwards.
     
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  8. Eelementary

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    Was not aware.

    A shame.
     
  9. I'm a loser baby...

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    Yes. The dodgy TPAs took him to 1.2m. And he's got other risks so I think we're better off with Moses at 800k or so.
     
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  10. I'm a loser baby...

    I'm a loser baby... Coach

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    When he was with us I thought he was more potential than the finished article. If he hasn't improved a great deal then he's not a big loss. Those numbers suggest that too.

    And Gary could do that drunk. Sorry, I mean would. As a streaker.
     
  11. Bazal

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    Well, under an expanded cap, I'd take Foran at 1.2 in a heartbeat (if it goes to what the clubs are hoping) over Moses at 800k.

    But the issue is that it wasn't 1.2 under a 9 or 10 mill cap. It was a huge chunk of our cap and for all we know the deal increased with the projected cap increases. It simply wasn't feasible to keep Foran. I'd welcome him back with open arms though....in a parallel universe where BA hadn't been burned by his off field issues.
     
  12. Bazal

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    He's a very good player IMO, don't get me wrong. But he's a bit of a flat track bully. He'll destroy sides who let him destroy them, or he'll have the odd outstanding game, but a good defence will cut him down. Plus his defence is pretty poor at times.

    I'd have liked to have kept him but for what the paid the Raiders can have him.

    You and Gary should have a streaker competition at the next Eels home game
     
  13. Bazal

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    He extended in December brother, so a club approaching the Dogs about a release may have a good chance.

    Also congrats on the personal news, my friend!
     
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  14. I'm a loser baby...

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    True, it's two years down the track and the cap will increase. But I'd be hesitant to sign him at 1.2, even if he had no history with our club. The dodgy hamstrings, the mental health issues, the investigation into the betting stuff, these are real risks even if they're difficult to quantify. And although his playing style would seem to complement Norman's, we'd still lack a good long kicker.
     
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  15. Bazal

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    Look, I just spilt bourbon on my couch, so give me a moment and I'll have some kind of retort or agreement or something.....
     
  16. I'm a loser baby...

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    He's alright but like plenty of players he's overrated due to sentiment.

    And I'll leave the streaking to Gaz. I couldn't afford enough craft beer for the Dutch courage.
     
  17. Poupou Escobar

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    Here's how Paulo plays long minutes. He is at the bottom of this list:

    Tackles per minute 2016 (average minutes)
    0.70 Fensom (51)
    0.70 Friend (76)
    0.70 Hannant (35)
    0.69 Alvaro (38)
    0.66 James (59)
    0.64 Evans (34)
    0.64 Myles (43)
    0.64 K. Pritchard (27)
    0.63 Graham (61)
    0.62 Boyd (35)
    0.62 Peats (65)
    0.61 G. Burgess (39)
    0.61 Mannah (40)
    0.61 McInnes (63)
    0.61 Rein (70)
    0.61 Tolman (60)
    0.60 McCullough (67)
    0.60 McLean (38)
    0.60 Terepo (38)
    0.59 Brown (46)

    0.58 Lichaa (75)
    0.57 De Gois (55)
    0.57 Finucane (60)
    0.57 McGuire (58)
    0.57 Napa (57)
    0.57 Prior (44)
    0.56 Tamou (47)
    0.55 T. Burgess (45)
    0.55 Cook (49)
    0.55 Matagi (29)
    0.55 Matulino (52)
    0.55 Waerea-Hargreaves (49)
    0.54 Moa (37)
    0.54 A. Fifita (55)
    0.54 C. Smith (80)
    0.54 Vaughan (38)
    0.53 O'Brien (26)
    0.53 J. Trbojevich (70)
    0.52 Farah (65)
    0.52 Heighington (33)
    0.51 Bromwich (59)
    0.51 Granville (62)
    0.50 Parker (61)
    0.49 Lussick (43)
    0.48 S. Burgess (72)
    0.48 Pulu (37)
    0.48 Woods (57)
    0.47 Gallen (64)
    0.47 Hodgson (71)
    0.47 Klemmer (54)
    0.47 M. Scott (46)
    0.46 Taumalolo (52)
    0.46 Vave (35)
    0.45 Ennis (80)
    0.44 Paasi (45)
    0.43 Luke (72)
    0.42 Kasiano (31)
    0.39 Paulo (49)

    I looked at 2016 stats because the sample is larger, and only looked at middle defenders (and only some of them). Obviously those who spent any minutes anywhere else (e.g. Peats spending some time at edge forward to cover for injury) will have their stats distorted.

    For comparison I have also included Eels middle forward stats for 2017:
    0.67 Alvaro (30)
    0.64 Mannah (37)
    0.64 Vave (30)
    0.62 Terepo (37)
    0.58 K. Pritchard (71)
    0.58 B. Scott (44)
    0.50 Brown (60)
    0.46 Matagi (44)
    0.39 O'Brien (17)
     
  18. Poupou Escobar

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    Paulo spends half the game out wide running at halfbacks and the other half strolling around in defence watching his mates tackle. Of course, the average fan never notices what players aren't doing. They just remember a big run every four minutes or so. The blokes doing all the defensive work for these f**king slugs get labelled with a snide 'he's just a toiler'.
     
  19. Jake the snake

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    Stats will get you a reputation like Pou!! Lol you don't want to go there!!! Tuamalolo had also broken the 200m gains as well. Does that mean Tolman is as good a player Tuamalolo? No, he is not even one tenth the player.
     
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  20. Obscene Assassin

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    Hey guys got a hot tip that we've signed a roosters prop, I think his name is Shane Shackleton. Anyone rate him?

    /s
     
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