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  1. slotmachine

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  2. Spot On

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    The sandwich can't be cut any other way Slots, he's a poor defender and shouldn't be in the centres.

    Was the same story before he went to backrow.
     
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  4. slotmachine

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    It only took a few years but everyone got there eventually
     
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    Noname36 First Grade

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    I defend Sione because ever since he was picked for Australia he seemed to cop it unfairly from a bunch of people but really he keeps making the exact same decisive error over and over again which is inexcusable and he’d be in NSW Cup if we weren’t so short on centres.
     
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    He's literally the same player he was when he debuted which is sort of amazing
     
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    I said in November when it was rumoured he was going to have to go back to the centres again that it would be the worst possible thing for his career. He was going well in the backrow and he never showed too much potential in the centres but concussion problems forced our hand and what I was worried about seems to be occurring...
     
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    He could actually defend better when he debuted I think. Moving him to the forwards and bulking him up has made him too slow to defend out wide now.

    It’s more the rushing up that annoys me because he does it over and over again regardless of whether it’s the right time or not. I get he has absolutely no faith in Lamb (can’t blame him there) but he hurts the defensive line badly because it rarely comes off.
     
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    Same boat here, but he has to be on thin ice at this point. It's a shame his effort and attitude isn't translating into the improvement that one would expect. We've dicked him around a bit with his development the past few years, but that's not really important at this stage. What we're getting out of him now isn't good enough.
     
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    The only way I see him keeping his spot is if we swap him and SKD around I think. But I'm not at all confident he'll be good at wing any more unlike his rookie year.
     
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    Too bulked up, won't be fast enough for wing.
     
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    That’s what I found strange about his preseason. We knew he was moving into the backline and he bulked up even more. The speed he had when he came in to First Grade has gone.
     
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    I think the reason he's still in FG is a combination of the fact that like you said his effort and attitude can't be faulted and there's just nobody to replace him, especially now that Moga is gone (not that he was doing much, if any better than Sione prior to injury though). If the attitude and effort wasn't there history has shown that Brown would drop him regardless, even if he had to replace him with a prop. Also I'm sure Brown is well aware it's been difficult to him adjusting to so many new positions, he's not an idiot, so he's giving him a bit more time, especially as we don't have a decent replacement.

    Saying that though if he hasn't improved by the time we get a better option, whether that's Ramien or hopefully a mid-season buy then I'd expect him to be dropped and only re-signed IF he proves in the lower grades that he's improving his defence AND it's a smaller contract. I understand why we had to re-sign Sione on the amount we did but those reasons dont stand up anymore and his performances at present don't justify that sort of coin.

    Brown needs to take a bit of responsibility to help him though and tell him this is the position he wants him to play and outline what he wants him to do to improve, and if Sione doesn't want to play the role Brown sees for him then he needs to leave (although I can't see him kicking off because his attitude certainly isn't one of his problems).
     
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    So how close are guys like Naden, Hughes, Denniss and Musgrove to being able to step up to first grade, even if it means moving SKD into the centres?

    Like Uate, you could always (partially) forgive Gagai because he had a very strong attacking game to compensate for his poor defence. The same just can’t be said for Sione- he’s not really contributing anything to the team at the moment.
     
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    You mean the same Sione we can credit Wayne Bennett for Woosh?
     
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    Brown dropped Hodkinson and Uate. Anything is possible.
     
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    Unfortunately Wayne gave us bugger all re decent juniors.
     
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    Bastard kept Gagai in firsts. I fear he'll do the same with Sione. Fingers crossed.
     
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    Bring skd in one and put whoever on the wing
     
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    Kept him in firsts but should have played him on wing, big difference
     

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