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St. Slippy Knight of Self Pity City

Haffa

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‘It was cruel,’ he says. ‘I haven’t lost my man at a set piece. I haven’t missed a penalty. I haven’t made a bad pass or a mistake. Every single person on the planet slips at some point in their life, whether it is on a set of stairs, on the floor or whatever.

"(I haven't) made a bad pass or a mistake"


Yes you did Slippy. You were given a pass under no pressure, looked up to see where you were going to pass and took your eye off the ball. The ball went loose to BA and in your attempt to make good your lapse of concentration you THEN slipped.

I'll admit though, the slipping bit added a bit of extra comedy to the whole affair.

His attempt to rewrite history is absolutely staggering!


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Didn't he slip while trying to clear a ball the other day? Leading to a goal haha. Might be time for some longer studs stevie.
 

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Life long red :lol:

Probably the closest Slippy will get to the league trophy.

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The Myth of Steven Gerrard


I've just been listening to a debate about Tom Cleverly and it got me thinking about the lack of good options England actually have in centre midfield. Jack Wilshere is quality but then who else is there? Just a load of over- rated and/ or past it players.

Frank Lampard is one, Michael Carrick is another and then there's Steven Gerrard. Now, I think Steven Gerrard used to be a great midfielder, a very effective box to box midfielder who defended well, had an excellent passing range, a good long shot and an ability to score goals. He's still a good midfielder but he isn't top class anymore. Nowhere near.

He's had injury problems which have probably affected him and he's getting on a bit now so it's understandable. But can we, as a nation, please stop hailing him as some sort of super midfielder of world class ability? Everyone seems to follow this myth that Gerrard is still the player he was. I used to love watching him a few years ago but nowadays he isn't the same player. It's time to move on. Stop living in the past and look at the present and to the future.

I hear people in the media; journalists, pundits and presenters talk about him like he's God and up there with the best in the world. They just blindly rate him as a great midfielder, in denial that he has declined as a player with age and injury problems. Just accept it. And I beg of fans to make your own mind up, please don't just think that because pundits and papers say Gerrard is still the bees knees that it's the truth and you have to have the same opinion. I think far too many fans in this country haven't got the indepedance to have their own opinion. Perhaps its a lack of confidence in their football knowledge, perhaps they actually think the likes of Alan Hansen are 'experts'. But just watch Steven Gerrard next time you see him, and the time after that and analyse him, see if you would class what he plays like now as world class ability or the ability he showed 5 or so years ago.

He's a good player, yes. But my point is don't form your opinion on him based on his past glories and nationality. I think a big part of the myth that he's still top notch is the fact that he's from England. If he was from Croatia or something perhaps more people would recognise the truth rather than taking part in this stubborn, lazy consensus that Steven Gerrard is still a top quality player and a potential England national team saviour or hero. In addition to this, when has he ever played well for England? Has he ever had a good tournament? No. He's always disappointed and never really played to his potential, like Frank Lampard. Players like those two have to take a big chunk of responsibility for the embarassment that was failing to qualify for Euro 2008.


I've seen him play quite a lot this season and not once have I seen him have a great game where I think 'blimey, Gerrard's dominating the midfield' or 'Gerrard's looking unstoppable'. Him and the rest of the Liverpool midfield were torn apart by Arsenal's midfield back in August, and he was at fault for our first goal. He was just decent at Everton and every other time I've seen him he's been hovering around the 'playing decent' marker.

In conclusion I am of the opinion that too many people in this country blindly rate Gerrard as the player he once was but isn't anymore still. I also think too many people rate him on his past qualities and nationality.

http://thelifeofanarsenalsupporter.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/the-myth-of-steven-gerrard.html
 
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Why Stevie G is most self-obsessed footballer of his generation

AS Liverpool buckled this past fortnight, the scale of the surrender to sentiment and the Great Myth of Steven Gerrard became apparent.
Essentially the leader who went AWOL at the decisive hour, who could offer only blubbering sobs when his troops needed direction, who abandoned his post in the heat of battle, somehow emerged with a Purple Heart pinned to his tear-stained chest.
Even the Fourth Estate chose to raise the white flag to the fairy story of Stevie G when the Football Writers’ Association arrived at the absurd conclusion that here was the second-best performer in the Premier League over the past nine months.
Straight faces were maintained at their London hooley as they deemed Gerrard’s body of work superior to Eden Hazard and, quite preposterously, Yaya Toure, the peerless touchstone against whom every midfield portfolio must be measured.
Distil the difference between Manchester City and Liverpool down to its essence, investigate why the former lifted the title on Sunday as the latter wallowed in a river of misery, and it is impossible to walk away from a pair of damning conclusions.
Firstly, the team that the Kop, in its ravenous hunger for a new age of prosperity, chose to prematurely deem soldiers of destiny, cannot defend: Liverpool leaked 23 goals more than Chelsea, 12 more than City, seven more, even, than a hapless Manchester United.

Secondly, in terms of leadership and inspiration at critical junctures from its midfield talisman, the contribution of Toure – one which goes way beyond his stunning 20 league goals input – dwarfs that of Gerrard, renders it a nothing.
These two flaws fatally merged at Crystal Palace when Gerrard, deemed Europe’s pre-eminent controlling midfielder by his manager, became the very opposite, a vision of disorganised chaos, as the Eagles landed three killer blows.
This is not to say that Gerrard had a poor season, not at all. But to deem him among the brightest stars in the season’s constellation is simply a work of fiction, a sop to saccharine-induced nostalgia.
It says much for the Englishman’s genius for self-promotion that he would garner more first preference votes than the transcendent Ivorian in the Player of the Year poll conducted by those who scribble about the game on a daily basis.
Here is a triumph of mush over substance, the creation of the greatest fable since the days of Aesop.
Perhaps the writers, like Gerrard himself against Chelsea in what has emerged as the defining image of the season and a treasure trove for parody, had suffered a cataclysmic, collective and concussive slip that had scrambled their senses.
Liverpool fans tend to rewrite history when it comes to the player who did just about everything in his power to board the Chelsea express in 2004 (Google his quotes from that time) until thuggish threats to his family persuaded him to step back.
And in the process Gerrard has become half man, half folk-ballad.
Second-best in England this season? He wasn’t even remotely close to being second best at his own club.
In truth, he ranked somewhere between the fourth and eighth most valuable player at Liverpool.
Unquestionably adrift of Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge and Raheem Sterling, any honest internal poll would have him jostling with Jordan Henderson, Philippe Coutinho and Simon Mignolet for the minor placings in a thrilling year of rebirth.
Gerrard was not in the top 20 performers in England.
Of those who can loosely be termed midfielders, he trailed Toure, Hazard, David Silva, Willian, Fernandinho, Adam Lallana, Santi Cazorla and, perhaps, Henderson. Aaron Ramsey in his three months of fitness was a vividly more stellar figure.
Those who observed Gerrard’s comically inept display against Aston Villa at Anfield in January could only assume Brendan Rodgers had spent the evening socialising with the ghosts of Hunter S Thompson, Oliver Reed and George Best when he recently deemed Gerrard “the best in European football in a controlling role”.
Where was the control when he keeled over like a bullet-ridden Bambi against Chelsea?
If that was a cruel taunt from the heavens, there was no outside influence as Liverpool blew that three-goal lead at Palace last week.
A holding midfielder of substance – a Keane, a Vieira, – would have stood up in the face of such impertinence from the underclasses, would have stamped their authority on the south London turf and crushed any hint of a proletariat uprising.

Gerrard – all General MacArthur in his public utterances before the game – merely dissolved into the night.
The man who has shamelessly played to the Sky Sports lens these past few weeks was suddenly pushing the camera away, railing against the very intrusions he had not only invited, but demanded after each decisive Liverpool step forward.
It is true he enjoyed a memorable afternoon as City were downed, but would that helter-skelter contest have followed the same storyline had the immense Toure not been ambushed by injury in the early minutes?
If Rodgers in that earlier quote was referring to his skipper’s capacity to “control” the perceptions surrounding him then perhaps he had a point.
Gerrard is England’s captain and he is peerless at one aspect of the modern game: Feeding the Great Myth.
Whether it is through tears or fist-pumping rallying cries or the smitten, innocent-in-love badge kissing, he creates the illusion of being the ultimate team-player.
In truth, Gerrard is a credible rival to Cristiano Ronaldo and Zlatan Ibrahimovich for the title of most self-obsessed footballer of his generation.
Yet so many fall for the great delusion of Stevie G, the unbending one-club man.
Whether it is turning on the tear-taps or morphing into Russell Crowe after the victory over City when gathering his players in a post-match huddle for his mortifying Gladiator speech, his genius is to cultivate this image as Liverpool’s bastion.
He is the selfless hero, the fearless superintendent, the upholder of standards, the solid Scouser, the forever loyal Red, the man who will keep the darkness at bay.
The only problem is when the truth intrudes upon the narrative.
Like when night fell for Liverpool supporters on Sunday as City – despite being stripped of their world-class striker for most of the season – were crowned champions for the second time in three seasons.
Led by Toure, a midfield player from a different continent to Gerrard by birth; and a different planet when it comes to leadership and achievement.


http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/op...st-self-obsessed-footballer-of-his-generation
 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...even-gerrard-exposed-at-yet-another-world-cup

The myth of Liverpool's and England's Steven Gerrard as a great central midfielder has been cruelly exposed at yet another World Cup.
The Liverpool legend has had another dreadful tournament and has contributed two of his worst-ever performances for the Three Lions. One would almost be shocked except for the fact that Gerrard has never delivered for England on the international stage when it mattered most.

One thing is for sure: England always learn a great many lessons at major tournaments and the World Cup in particular. The lessons this time around have been stark. Roy Hodgson has guided his country to elimination for the first time ever after just two matches. He has also seen them crash out of the group stages for the first time since Pele made his debut for Brazil all the way back in the Swedish World Cup of 1958.
It's fair to say that there will be a lot of grovelling apologies, talk of retirements and soul-searching between now and August when the new Premier League season starts.
Heading into the month-long tournament, all the pressure to perform was on Manchester United's Wayne Rooney. Much was made of Rooney's run without scoring at a World Cup, despite the fact he was only 20 in 2006 and was injured in 2010; on the other hand, nothing was made of any other player's lack of contribution at the highest level of the game.
Gerrard, as captain of Liverpool and England, should have come under the same kind of scrutiny but never did for some reason or another.
There are no two ways about it: As far as the Premier League is concerned, Gerrard will, always and rightly so, be regarded as one of the greats. The Liverpool legend has drove his team to countless victories and produced some scintillating performances during his 669 games, 17 years as a professional footballer and 27 years at Anfield.
In 2006, over 110,000 Liverpool fans voted him second, behind Kenny Dalglish, in a list of the top 100 players to shake the Kop, as per the club's official website.

He has been named in countless Premiership, PFA, UEFA and FIFA teams of the year and has the honor of being the only man to ever score in the League Cup final, the FA Cup final, the UEFA Cup final and the Champions League final.
The scene has been easily set: Gerrard is one of the greats of the modern game.
But he has never produced the same form for his country, and has never mastered the difficult art of being a true central midfielder.
When Gerrard was enjoying his best years for Liverpool, he was employed in the No. 10 role just behind the striker. There, he terrorized teams across Europe and in England. Using his superb fitness, desire, vision, creativity, goal-scoring ability and stamina, he was easily one of the best players on the planet in that particular position.
The problem with his performances at international level is that England have always had other players to play the No. 10 role but very little in central midfield. From the time he made his English debut in 2000, he has had to contend with the fact that England have been producing No. 10s but not one top-class central midfielder.
This selection headache forced Gerrard to play as a conventional central midfielder for his country. This is something he can easily do at a Premier League level where the standard of competition is, quite frankly, not great. On the international and European stages, however, he has always been best employed just behind the striker.
Arguably, Gerrard's best game for Liverpool last season was against Arsenal, rating 8.89 according to WhoScored.com. The Reds mauled the Gunners 5-1. To illustrate the gap between the two teams on the day, all one has to do is look at the fact that Brendan Rodgers introduced the ineffective and disappointing Iago Aspas to the fray as a late substitute.
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In typical Premier League fashion, the game was helter-skelter and was played at a frantic pace. This is often seen as a badge of honor as far as promotion of the league is concerned. It does make for excitement, but it also makes for less technically gifted players.
Gerrard got on the ball against Arsenal 64 times with 79 percent passing accuracy according to WhoScored, and he also contributed two assists through two setpiece deliveries to Martin Skrtel. He also made 34 of 43 passes, as per FourFourTwo StatsZone.
This is a typical performance from Gerrard as a central midfielder. At international and at European level, however, he is often found wanting.
A quick comparison can be made with Andrea Pirlo.
The 35-year-old Italian legend, surely playing in his last World Cup with the 34-year-old Gerrard, played well against England without setting the world alight.
Pirlo managed to get on the ball a staggering 117 times in a game where he rated only 7.02 (according to WhoScored). He also made 103 of 108 passes, as per FourFourTwo StatsZone.
In the same game, Gerrard made just 62 passes.
Pirlo and Gerrard are, of course, thoroughly different players but have grown up in the same era.
Gerrard is very much the best England can offer in central midfield, but he does not match to the likes of Pirlo and falls in shadow against the likes of Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira and Xavi Hernandez.
The main skill of a true central midfielder is in his positional sense to make himself available to receive the ball. Once in possession, he knows when to speed the game up and, most importantly, when to take the sting out of the game and slow it down. Central midfielders are always the fulcrum upon which the team turn and play without ego.
Pirlo and Gerrard have come up against each other in direct competition over the years with the Italian usually prevailing. The one major occasion where Gerrard came out on top was in the Champions League final in 2005.
The world is separated into two types of football fans: Those who have seen the Miracle in Istanbul and those who have yet to see it. The memory of Steven Gerrard lifting the Champions League trophy will live long in the memory of those lucky enough to have seen this incredible game.

What people forget, though, is that the game hinged on Gerrard being moved out of central midfield to just behind the striker at half-time.
During the interval, at 3-0 down, Rafael Benitez substituted Steve Finnan for Dietmar Hamann. The German was instantly placed into Gerrard's position in the middle as the Englishman was moved forward into the No. 10 role.
From there, Gerrard simply wreaked havoc and inspired his team to score three unanswered goals before eventually triumphing on penalties. Gerrard eventually finished the game at right-back as Benitez shut up shop in extra time.
For a player of such renown and distinction, being constantly played out of position for his country must be hard to take. Gerrard has played for the Three Lions 113 times, and while his positional and playing ability can be called into question, his drive and determination could never be.
The great John Giles, working for Irish broadcaster RTE as a World Cup analyst, described the difference between being a good midfielder and a great midfielder as someone who "would kill their granny."

What Giles was pointing out was that top-class central midfielders are not afraid to do the dirty work needed to perform at the highest level.
At no time during Gerrard's 17 years as a top professional could he be regarded as someone who would kill his granny.
Say what you want about the Liverpool captain, but the dark arts of the game, defensive work, tackling and doing the nitty gritty are not what his game is about.
Some may say the same of Pirlo. The Italian is not exactly who one would describe as a hardman of the game. However, he does the donkey work and makes those little passes and little interceptions and little defensive positional adjustments. When added up, they come to proverbial miles and ultimately goals and victories.
In the past, Gerrard's game was built on stamina, strength and desire. Now, as an older man, he has had to change his game slightly to respond to the shifting sands of time. As a top professional and playing in a less technical league, he can still contribute to a high degree.
At the highest levels of the game, he cannot contribute because he lacks the nous of a true central midfielder.
At the World Cup, the notion and myth of Gerrard as a top-class central midfielder was, once again, exposed, as it has been over the last 14 years with England.
Gerrard has had a tremendous season for Liverpool but in a completely different environment to the international stage.
The great shame to the end of Gerrard's career as an international footballer, which will ultimately come in the coming months, is that he never had the chance to shine for England in his best position.
He will always be remembered as the man who did it for his club, but who never did it for his country.
 

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You've dedicated this whole vitriolic thread to Steven Gerrard based on something he said 4 days ago, filled with scathing articles and mocking gifs...yet you're implying that saying you hate Gerrard is wrong?
 

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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...gland-career-has-been-a-failure-30479936.html
Paul Scholes has delivered a damning assessment of Steven Gerrard’s international career and says the Liverpool player will ultimately reflect on his time in an England jersey as a “failure”.

Gerrard announced his international retirement following England’s disappointing World Cup campaign after making 114 appearances in a career spanning 14 years.
Gerrard, who captained England in Brazil, said he “agonised” over the decision but felt it was the correct decision to prolong his club career.
In The Sun on Sunday, his former England colleague Scholes said that the 34 year-old will not look back kindly on his England career, like many more before him.
"I’m sure like the rest of us who have played over the last 20 or 30 years, he won’t be proud of his England career,” Scholes said.
"He might be — but when you think of an England career, you want to have achieved stuff at major tournaments. And we’ve failed to do that.
"For 30 years, we’ve not been good enough, apart from Euro 96 and maybe Italia 90. Apart from that, we’ve failed."
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The former Manchester United star added that there is no obvious choice for a replacement as England captain now that Gerrard has retired from the international game.
"There’s no outstanding candidate to take over," he said, adding that, "maybe Wayne Rooney could do the job."
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-a-failure-30479936.html#sthash.H2dEMt18.dpuf
 

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FFS, your consistent reliance on gifs which hold no relevance display your lack of intelligence. I'm out.
 
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