Tension on the peninsula

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  1. Game_Breaker

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    Are you taking about the orange one or the the Un man?

    Because bad haircut man isn’t specific enough
     
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  2. Spanner in the works

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    This is the kind of stuff, in the environment we now have with North Korea, that scares the shit out of me.

    What if Trump was on Twitter or was watching Fox and saw the reports, and then went ahead - because he is not known for his restraint or his ability to listen to his generals - and issued a valid order for a retaliatory strike? And the North Koreans - along with potentially the Chinese and Russian's - respond in kind.

    It's proven by the North Koreans that they have the ability to strike mainland US, which if extrapolated, means they can strike huge portions of Australia.

    Deescalate.
     
  3. Mr Spock!

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    But Obama......
     
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  4. Jimbo

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    His Generals would no doubt be aware that it is a false alarm and the two-man rule would kick in
     
  5. Pantherjim.

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    Lol!

    Who’s defending him?

    Do you think there’s anything to be accomplished by provoking him like your hero fat orange boy has?

    If you’re a Treky fan, I invite you to reflect on a moment in this episode:

     
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  6. Pantherjim.

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    Not really James, no.

    Try again...
     
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  7. Bandwagon

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    Ha ha, it's still the same policy under Trump you dweeb, what do you think has changed other than the language on Twitter?
     
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  8. DC_fan

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    Well it appears the joyous reunion between the two Koreas for the Winter Olympics maybe showing signs of falling apart. North Korea has announced a parade of dozens of long-range missiles the day before the games are due to commence. Further to this, North Korea has canceled a joint cultural performance that was to be held in the lead up to the Olympics. This was done following unflattering coverage by South Korean media.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/31/asia/north-korea-missile-display-intl/index.html
     
  9. Mr Spock!

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    But I thought Trump's tough talk had led to North Koreans to talks with South Korea.
     
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    Kim's sister to attend the Winter Olympics opening ceremony according to 9 news.

    Boooooo Trump.
     
  11. Bandwagon

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    What's her name, Steve?
     
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  13. DC_fan

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    Wouldn't it be funny if she tried to defect whilst in South Korea.
     
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    North Korea war could 'kill 10,000 US troops within days'
    2 MARCH 2018 • 3:44PM

    Awar with North Korea could result in about 10,000 American combat-related casualties in the first few days alone, according to US military planners.

    A classified military exercise last week, attended by Army chief of staff General Mark Milley and head of Special Operations Command General Tony Thomas, tested hypothetical scenarios of how US troops would mobilise and strike if ordered to into a potential war, reported the New York Times.

    The “tabletop exercise”, held over a few days in Hawaii, thrashed out the challenges that could hamper a US assault on North Korea’s sizeable military.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/02/north-korea-war-could-kill-10000-us-troops-within-days/
     
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    US official says North Korea is making progress on missile guidance
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    By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

    Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT) March 2, 2018

    Nuclear missile threat a 'red line' for Trump on North Korea

    Administration officials have emphasized that the goal is to continue using sanctions and diplomatic pressure to push any decision on whether to engage in military action against North Korea as far as possible into the future. Multiple officials cautioned that a diplomatic solution currently remains the administration's focus -- and that there are ways to block North Korea's missile program short of all-out war.

    This latest assessment is part an effort to continue to calculate what improvements North Korea might have been able to quietly achieve since November, when it last launched a intercontinental ballistic missile. The US believes the North Koreans have been working to improve their rocket engines, mobile missile launchers, and nuclear warhead production. A key unknown is to what extent North Korea may be able to go into large scale production of missile components rather than just the individual test missiles launched so far.

    But while the US keeps close watch for the day when North Korea can directly pose a threat to the US, any decision to use military force against them remains a political decision for President Donald Trump to make, the administration official said.

    Military officials have continued to emphasize the ultimate dilemma: a pre-emptive US strike would put the US in the position of being the aggressor. But if a missile is launched toward the US, it will be hard to determine quickly if it has a warhead on top and shooting it down could pose risks to other countries.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/02/politics/north-korea-missile-progress/index.html
     
  16. Mr Spock!

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    I suppose Putin wouldn't be helping the North Koreans out given some of the stuff going on between Russia ad the US lately.
     
  17. Surely

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    Only if he is an idiot
     
  18. AJB1102

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    So that is a massive "YES".
     
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  19. mave

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    Live TV
    North Korea willing to talk to US about giving up nuclear weapons, Seoul says
    By Joshua Berlinger and Jungeun Kim, CN

    (CNN)North Korea is willing to talk to the United States about giving up its nuclear weapons, South Korea said Tuesday, in a remarkable development that followed unprecedented meetings in Pyongyang.

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un also has agreed to refrain from conducting nuclear and missile tests while engaging in dialogue with South Korea, Seoul's national security chief Chung Eui-yong said after returning from talks with Kim.

    Chung said Pyongyang expressed willingness to talk to the United States "in an open-ended dialogue to discuss the issue of denuclearization and to normalize relations with North Korea."


    North Korea clarified that it had no reason to retain nuclear weapons if "the military threat to North Korea is resolved" and the country's security can be guaranteed, Chung said.

    It's a startling statement from a nation that only months ago declared it could wipe the United States off the face of the Earth and comes just hours after the five top South Korean government officials spoke with the young North Korean leader.

    Monday's meeting is believed to be the first time Kim has ever talked face-to-face with any officials from Seoul since taking power in 2011.



    Key developments:




    • An official with deep knowledge of North Korea says Kim wants the whole world to know that he has a clear strategy and "he's the sheriff in town" who sets the rules for his own government's interests. Willingness to talk about denuclearization in exchange for security assurances could mean a variety of things for North Korea, including a temporary freeze and slow dismantlement of nuclear facilities over the long term, the official says.
    • The official says, in exchange for a commitment to denuclearization, North Korea will strongly demand a dramatic reduction in the scale of US-South Korea joint military exercises as a first step and will also call on the US to significantly downsize the number of its troops stationed in South Korea.
    • South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Kim will meet for a summit at the demilitarized zone that divides the two Koreas in April, Chung said
    • The two sides will open a hotline so the leaders could communicate directly with each other, according to Chung.
    • US President Donald Trump weighed in on the developments on Twitter, saying "the world is watching and waiting!"


    The Trump administration has oftensaid it's willing to negotiate with North Korea if it puts denuclearization on the table.

    "The fixed policy of the United States of America is that we are going to continue with all options on the table to bring intensifying economic and diplomatic pressure to bear until North Korea, once and for all, completely and verifiably abandons its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile program," Vice President Mike Pence said last month after visiting South Korea.

    Chung will head to the United States later this week to brief his American counterparts on his meeting in Pyongyang, a spokesman for Moon's office said.



    A win for Moon


    The announcement represents a significant diplomatic accomplishment for Moon, who used the Winter Olympic Games to engineer a thaw in relations with the North that had previously seemed a distant prospect following a string of North Korean weapons tests and rhetoric from US President Donald Trump and Kim.

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    Moon, who was elected last year after his conservative predecessor was ousted in a corruption scandal, has been proponent of dialogue and engagement with North Korea since his days as a presidential aide to the former President Roh Moo-hyun.

    He's since had difficult job of playing interlocutor between a North Korean regime that last year appeared determined to advance its nuclear weapons program and an administration in Washington that believes Pyongyang's development of a long-range ballistic missile potentially capable of hitting the US homeland with a nuclear warhead constitutes an unacceptable risk.


    But the detente brought about by the Olympic diplomacy offered Moon an opportunity to dispatch Chung and four other top government officials, including South Korean spy chief Suh Hoon, to Pyongyang, where they met with Kim and some of his top aides, including his sister, Kim Yo Jong.

    Suh's inclusion in the South Korean delegation kicked off speculation that the two sides were planning another summit, as he was a key figure who helped organize the first two inter-Korean summits in the 2000s.

    The April summit will take place at Panmunjom Peace House on the South Korean side of the demilitarized zone that divides the two countries, according to Chung.

    The last inter-Korean summit was in 2007, when South Korean President Roh met Kim's father, late North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.



    'Something to work with'


    Though surprising, the statements from North Korea aren't a complete U-turn. Pyongyang has long maintained its development of nuclear weapons is a response to what it calls the US "hostile policy" toward the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, as the country is officially known.

    "To some extent, this is a reiteration of something the North Koreans have said, that Kim Jong Un has said. But context and timing matters, and this opens up the opportunity for more diplomacy," said John Delury, a professor at Yonsei University's Graduate School of International Relations in Seoul.

    A top North Korean diplomat at the United Nations said in October his country would not put nuclear weapons on the negotiating table "unless the hostile policy and the nuclear threat of the US is thoroughly eradicated."

    Duyeon Kim, a senior research fellow at the Korean Peninsula Future Forum in Seoul, told CNN it was now up to negotiators to seize on the opportunity presented by the summit and potential talks with the US.

    "Pyongyang's intention to denuclearize and refrain from testing during talks simply reiterates its longstanding position in principle, (they) are conditional statements and dubious, but saying them publicly nevertheless give Washington and Seoul something to work with. That's where good negotiations come in," she said in an email.

    The US and South Korea had postponed joint military exercises, which Pyongyang views as hostile, during the Winter Olympics but the drills had been expected to resume after the Paralympics end later this month. It's not clear whether Tuesday's developments will alter that.

    During his Tuesday meeting, Kim told the South Korean delegation he "understands" Seoul's position on the drills.

    "Our stance on the joint military drills is that it is hard to postpone the exercises again or suspend them and there is no justification for doing so. But Kim said that he understands the South's stance," an official in President Moon's administration said.

    CNN's Vasco Cotovio and Sol Han contributed to this report

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/06/asia/north-korea-summit-intl/index.html
     
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    Will Trump get credit if it happens? lol
     

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