Texas Church Shooting

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  1. RockWheel

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    so because the nazis were committing the worst atrocities in human history, anything the allies did was excusable/justifiable? america forced their own citizens into camps based on race during the war. f**k that.
     
  2. veggiepatch1959

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    I gather you don't drive a Toyota, watch a Panasonic TV or listen to an Onkyo sound system.

    You must be the president of the RSL...
     
  3. veggiepatch1959

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    Great reference. I commend you on your research rather than something quoting something overheard in conversation between your father and his boss's brother's car mechanic's dentist.
     
  4. veggiepatch1959

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    I'm quite sure that I am responsible for derailing this thread by suggesting that the dropping of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima is the biggest act of mass murder in history.
     
  5. veggiepatch1959

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    Who knows? Just because you weren't taught it in school, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
     
  6. Smack

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    You are not answering my question.
     
  7. Smack

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    You taking the piss?
     
  8. RockWheel

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    you are being a coward
     
  9. Smack

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    ??
     
  10. Surely

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    The wheels on the rock go round and round round and round
     
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  11. RockWheel

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    keep asking leading questions while not responding to any other points being made.
     
  12. Smack

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    If you are looking for an excuse to trade personals, just get to the insult, I won't respond.

    I have made my point that we were the good guys considering the scale of evil committed by the Axis, it dwarfed anything the Allies did.
     
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    you are a hypocrite.
     
  14. RockWheel

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    my point was just because the 'allies' were the good guys doesn't mean they didn't commit questionable acts. in some cases 'the end justifies the means', but in other cases it's more a case of 'the end excuses the means'.

    if you want to say the allies were good and the axis were evil, congratulations, you're smart enough to recognise that, but dumb enough to not realise everyone else already knows that.
     
  15. Smack

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    That was before
     
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    All that is irrelevant since we are discussing the decision to drop atomic bombs on the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    What has Nazi atrocities got to do with a war against Japan ? Hadn't the Nazis capitulated by then anyway?
     
  17. Smack

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    Japan was part of the Axis.

    I stated Japan's war crimes, you can use google if you like.
     
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    120Y, Panaphonics and a Sorny.
     
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    You used to be a hypocrite, ( yesterday ) .

    Now, not so much.

    Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah
     
  20. Mr Spock!

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    Back on thread.....

    Texas Gunman Once Escaped From Mental Health Facility

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — The gunman behind the worst mass shooting in Texas history escaped from a psychiatric hospital while he was in the Air Force, and was caught a few miles away by the local police, who were told that he had made death threats against his superiors and tried to smuggle weapons onto his base, a 2012 police report showed.

    That episode, which came to light on Tuesday, was another in a series of red flags about the threat the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, posed to those around him. But none of the warnings stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing several firearms, including the rifle he used to kill 26 people at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs on Sunday.

    According to an El Paso Police Department report from June 2012, officers took Mr. Kelley, then 21, into custody at a bus station in downtown El Paso, where he apparently planned to flee on a bus after escaping from Peak Behavioral Health Services, a hospital a few miles away in Santa Teresa, N.M. He had gone to Peak Behavioral, whose services include a program for military personnel, after being charged in a military court with assaulting his wife and baby stepson, charges he later pleaded guilty to.

    The report filed by the El Paso officers says that the person who reported Mr. Kelley missing from the hospital advised them that he “suffered from mental disorders,” and that he “was attempting to carry out death threats” against “his military chain of command.” The man “was a danger to himself and others as he had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base,” it added.

    Federal law prohibits gun possession by anyone who “has been committed to any mental institution,” which occurs after a legal process, but it was unclear if that had happened to Mr. Kelley. The Air Force said that Mr. Kelley had been taken to the hospital while he was jailed on the assault charges, and that it was still reviewing records of his case.


    But Mr. Kelley had clearly been troubled for years. His public school records released on Tuesday showed he had been suspended at least seven times, and a classmate said he had complained about medication he was taking.

    Months after his escape from the psychiatric hospital, Mr. Kelley pleaded guilty in a military court to repeated assaults on his first wife and her son, a toddler, including one that left the boy with a fractured skull. He was sentenced to a year in confinement.

    That conviction should have barred him from buying firearms, but instead, he was able to buy several, passing a background check each time. Federal law prohibits gun purchases by people who have been convicted of domestic violence, but the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to report Mr. Kelley’s case to the federal databases used for such background checks. The Air Force said it was investigating whether other convictions had also been left unreported.

    There were other signs of trouble for Mr. Kelley, who received a “bad conduct” discharge from the Air Force after finishing his sentence. In 2013, he was investigated by the Comal County Sheriff’s Office on a complaint of rape and sexual assault in New Braunfels, Tex., his hometown, but no charges were filed. A statement from the sheriff’s office said on Tuesday that the investigation had “stalled sometime in October 2013 for reasons yet to be determined.”

    Mr. Kelley then moved to a recreational vehicle park in Colorado Springs, where four witnesses told the police that they had seen Mr. Kelley chase down his white-and-brown Siberian husky and punch the dog four or five times, yelling at it, before dragging it into his camper, according to a report from the sheriff’s office in El Paso County, Colo. Mr. Kelley was charged with animal cruelty, pleaded guilty and received a deferred sentence, records show.

    Brent Moody, a neighbor who called the police, said in an interview that he and his wife moved out sooner than they would have liked because they were scared of Mr. Kelley. “In his eyes, he looked like there was intense anger,” Mr. Moody said. “Something didn’t seem right with him.”

    Last Sunday morning, Mr. Kelley took a Ruger AR-556 assault rifle to the First Baptist Church and opened fire, killing 26 people and wounding at least 20 others. After a shootout outside the church with a bystander, in which he was hit twice, Mr. Kelley raced away in his car, chased by the bystander and another man, and soon crashed. He was found dead, having shot himself in the head.

    Officials have said that the massacre may have stemmed from acrimony between Mr. Kelley and the family of his estranged second wife. His mother-in-law, who attended the church, was not there on Sunday, but his wife’s grandmother was among those killed.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/texas-shooting-church.html
     

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