The price of Climate Change: 56 billion plus the rest

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  1. Bandwagon

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    Cold merkin of a place.
     
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    Global warming to make risk of sharknados more likely

    http://nypost.com/2017/07/28/can-climate-change-cause-something-worse-than-a-sharknado/

    “We know that powerful enough tornadoes and hurricanes can lift large objects, including sharks if they’re passing over water,” said Levin, who wrote the screenplay for the original “Sharknado,” which aired on the Syfy channel to great finfare in 2013.

    “As global warming gets worse, it adds more energy to the atmospheric system,” he said. “So it’s perfectly logical: A more powerful weather phenomenon makes [a Sharkicane] more likely.”
     
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    I wouldn't think any one would take that remotely seriously, although just to be sure I might start spraying myself with shark repellent if I see a storm brewing.
     
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    You would be surprised what people are willing to believe if presented to them in a newspaper
     
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    Um, yeah, no, I wouldn't.
     
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    20 year old pommie backpacker told me as well as his devoted backpacker disciples that climate change is real cause he saw it's affect in Panama.
    See thats why he is vegetarian now.

    Yes the brainwashing worked well on this one.

    Couldn't answer why does he travel using airplanes and buses that for sure add to climate change?
    Well sort of did the don't answer but blame the older generation thing.
    Cause everyone over 30 is a planet killer and should be removed permanently.

    Yes I believe now.
     
  9. Pete Cash

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    And that backpackers name was Albert Einstein
     
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    Facing scrutiny for his extreme electricity consumption, the former vice president pledged to renovate his home to become greener and more energy-efficient. The extensive and expensive overhaul of Gore’s house included installing solar panels and geothermal heating.2

    In order to determine the effectiveness of the environmentally-friendly remodel and learn whether the self-appointed spokesman of the environmental movement has amended his energy-devouring ways, the National Center for Public Policy Research obtained Gore’s electricity usage information through public records requests and conversations with the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

    In powering his home, Gore still greatly outpaces most Americans in energy consumption. The findings were shocking:

    • The past year, Gore’s home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh) every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month.3,4
    • Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family uses in 21 years.5
    • In September of 2016, Gore’s home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month – as much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months.
    • During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year.
    • From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills.6
    • Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore’s typical monthly energy consumption.
    No matter how the numbers are viewed, Al Gore uses vastly more electricity at his home than the average American – a particularly inconvenient truth given his hypocritical calls for all Americans to reduce their home energy


    http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08...e-surges-up-to-34-times-the-national-average/

    We all need to do the right thing like Al and install solar panels.
     
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    I've said before, and I'll say it again

    I'll believe there is a crisis when the people telling me there's a crisis start acting like there's a crisis
     
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    I will raise you the South Australian government
     
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    Sea levels will rise !!

    Buys a house on the water..
     
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    They are causing a crisis
     
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    maybe so

    but they are living up to their word and acting like they believe renewables will affect temperature

    and in my view being the canary in the coalmine the rest of the world can watch

    the batteries idea is almost poetic

    as is the joy expressed by the AMEO that industry shutting down being a good thing to avoid black outs

    it is just perfection
     
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    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-temperatures-mount-agung/8987770?pfmredir=sm


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    Bali volcano: Here's why the Earth will get a little cooler after Mount Agung erupts
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    Volcano experts say Mount Agung could erupt at any moment.

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    Something very interesting will happen when Bali's Mount Agung finally erupts: the Earth will become a little bit cooler.

    Yep. It's not exactly what you'd expect after a volcanic eruption, which will see molten lava spewed into the air.

    But don't get too excited, it will far from reverse the effects of global warming.

    Here's why:

    Global temperatures dropped last time Agung erupted
    Mount Agung last erupted in 1963 after laying dormant for decades.

    When it erupted, experts said global atmospheric temperatures dropped by 0.1-0.4 degrees Celsius.

    That might not sound like much, but it's quite a significant drop when you consider the last ice age occurred when global temperatures were only 5C cooler than they are now.

    So why the drop?

    Because ash and toxic gas were injected into the air
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    According to Richard Arculus, an Emeritus Professor in geology at the Australian National University, when Mount Agung erupted 54 years ago it spewed vast amounts of ash and sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.

    That sulphur dioxide then reacted with the water vapour in the air and formed droplets of sulphuric acid.

    About 10 million tonnes of those droplets accumulated in the Earth's stratosphere the layer above the troposphere within which we live — and formed a haze.

    That haze then acted as a barrier and reduced the amount of ultraviolet (UV) rays that made it from the Sun to the Earth's surface, resulting in a cooling effect.

    Here's what our readers had to say about the imminent eruption of Bali's Mount Agung.
    But the effect didn't last for long
    According to Professor Arculus, that sulphuric acid haze can persist in the stratosphere for a few years, but eventually the droplets will drop back to Earth.

    "They're small enough that they can stay up there for a while … but eventually they get rained out," he said.

    And that's why the temperature drop will far from cure global warming.

    "These are short-term effects, not like the enduring, year after year injection of carbon dioxide by burning fossil fuels — which keeps accumulating," Professor Arculus said.

    So will you notice the difference?
    No. If Mount Agung behaves as it did in 1963 — which it's widely expected to — you won't feel a thing.

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    "[The change in temperature] doesn't last long enough for us to notice. It's more likely to be an instrumental effect that scientists notice," Professor Arculus said.

    But volcanoes have caused noticeable changes to the Earth's climate in the past.

    In 1815, the eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia, had a huge effect on global temperatures.

    "After its eruption, it was known in Northern Europe and northeast America as 'The Year Without Summer'," Professor Arculus said.

    "It caused a big enough temperature drop that there was frost in the New England region of the United States in August and that's unheard of. And [there were] widespread crop failures.

    "Global temperatures were affected enough for the people who were trying to grow things and feed animals to notice the effect.

    "There's no notion yet that Agung will have an eruption as large as Tambora."


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    Simple solution bthes, trigger volcanos every few years and we are all saved.
     
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    But, you see, Gore buys carbon credits to make his usage neutral. So for a few bucks Al gets to keep churning through electricity while some farmer in a 3rd world country gets to plant a few trees on land that could have been used for food.


    One really must wonder what the f**k Gore is doing to use so much power. Is he reanimating some sort of manbearpig frankenstien creation? Almost certainly yes.
     
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    Haha
    Stevie wonder had a big go waffle on telly the other night
    Right before he used twenty gazillion watts to run his light show and PA to an audience that burnt twenty gazillion gallons of petrol to get there
     
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    The competition and consumer watchdog says there are few options left for the government to ease pressure on gas prices and boost supply.
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    The federal government will soon need to make a choice between saving factory jobs or keeping a hands-off approach to gas exports.

    The government announced in June it would implement the Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism to ensure sufficient natural gas to meet consumers' needs.

    The mechanism - also known as the "gas trigger" - requires, if necessary, LNG projects which draw gas from the domestic market to limit exports or to find offsetting sources of new gas.

    The government is awaiting a report from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission into gas supply and demand, which would inform Treasurer Scott Morrison's decision on when to pull the trigger.

    Labor leader Bill Shorten says the decision should be made immediately as it was obvious rising gas prices and looming shortages risked damaging the economy.

    ACCC chairman Rod Sims said the gas supply outlook for 2018 now appeared worse than at the time of the commission's first gas report in March 2016.

    This was because projected production was lower, domestic demand was higher and a significant quantity of gas is expected to be sold on the international LNG spot markets in excess of contract requirements, he said.

    As well, international prices were at all time lows and Australian prices were at all time highs.

    Mr Sims said the government - which faces industry criticism for flagging interference in the gas market - did not have many options.

    "It is easy to criticise the Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism," he said.

    "(But) consider the choices - the federal government may be faced with a choice of pulling the trigger on the mechanism on the one hand, or seeing factories close and jobs lost."

    Mr Sims acknowledged energy affordability had gone from "being a source of economic advantage to Australia to the opposite".

    "I think it would be very sad to see firms fail just because our east coast gas market is dysfunctional," he told the National Press Club on Wednesday.

    Mr Shorten said it was "mind-boggling" the Turnbull government is refusing to pull the gas export control trigger.

    "What on earth are they waiting for?"

    Mr Shorten said Labor wanted to give the Australian Energy Market Operator some "teeth" by fast-tracking reforms to improve gas market transparency, giving Australian manufacturers a head start in gas contract negotiations.

    The gas issue was part of a bigger crisis in the energy sector, he said.

    "Turnbull can do four things right now to help fix the energy crisis: pull the gas trigger, end the war on renewables, implement a clean energy target and stop the summer blackouts by developing more strategic reserves," Mr Shorten said.


    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/20/few-options-left-gas-prices-accc


    Why do we need this fossil fuel, can't we just put some more solar panels and windmills in
     
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    If we are going down the path of increased reliance upon renewable sources, which if there is to be any kind of sense in the debate I think that should be considered a given, then gas as a fuel for base load power makes so much more sense than does coal. Forgetting for a moment it's cleaner, it also is far easier and faster to turn on and off than is coal.

    We have an abundance of the stuff, and there is no shortage of supply. As the article you quote above states Sures, we are producing and exporting gas well above what is contracted for sale, and there are enough known reserves of conventional gas for that to be the case for well into the future.

    The federal government, regardless of flavour, just need to recognise that for at least the medium term it's the only realistic option that can, with the right policy framework, provide a cheap, reliable source of power, contribute significantly to meeting our carbon emission reduction targets, whilst being logistically possible to roll out the necessary infrastructure to make it happen in a relatively short time frame..
     

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