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Time to put your selector's cap on

AlwaysGreen

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I can see a possible change for Melbourne.

Mad Dog Maddinson should get a red ball test but I reckon Levers might get a look in just because of the workload the fast bowlers had in Brisbane. I don't agree with it but I think it's a big possibility.

Wade should go but won't. Lyon must be on notice too.
 

steggz

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It's silly isn't it?

Lyon isn't in the best 4 bowlers in home conditions until maybe the SCG test. If your best four bowlers are quicks then IMO you pick four quicks.

No. Unless you have Roberts, Garner, Marshall and Holding, you don't pick four quicks. You need variety. Part time spinners do not compare to specialist bowlers
 

tomdl

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If we must pick and all rounder for Boxing Day I hope it is Hilton Cartwright. Levers can get f**ked.
 

steggz

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Faulkner must be up there as well, ahead of Cartwright and level with Henriques (stronger bowler v stronger batsman)
 

Twizzle

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His bowling in the recent ODI was down on his previous form, he was only bowling mid 120s

I dont have a problem with him playing at 6 in test cricket but I dont think he is quiet ready yet.
 

Bazal

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No. Unless you have Roberts, Garner, Marshall and Holding, you don't pick four quicks. You need variety. Part time spinners do not compare to specialist bowlers

So you'd rather waste a spot on a guy that's less likely to take wickets just for some ridiculous notion of variety? Lol, you could have got a job as an Aussie selector.

If there isnt a spinner who is up to it, there's no point picking one. Simple as that
 

Barkley

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For me, Madinson needs to stay for the remainder of the series. I wouldn't have picked him in the first place but he deserves a handful of tests to find his feet. The guy was picked on potential...not form, so he must be given a bit of time.

I wouldn't pick an all-rounder unless there is one putting their hand up for selection and I can't see any of them knocking the door down. M Marsh is not a test quality batsman, Moses is meh and Faulkner is out of form. Once Faulkner gets back to his best he would be my long term all-rounder.
 

Bazal

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For me, Madinson needs to stay for the remainder of the series. I wouldn't have picked him in the first place but he deserves a handful of tests to find his feet. The guy was picked on potential...not form, so he must be given a bit of time.

I wouldn't pick an all-rounder unless there is one putting their hand up for selection and I can't see any of them knocking the door down. M Marsh is not a test quality batsman, Moses is meh and Faulkner is out of form. Once Faulkner gets back to his best he would be my long term all-rounder.

I'd only drop Maddinson for Cartwright as a horses for courses selection.
 

Barkley

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If Maddinson gets dropped he won't get back in, they will throw him on the scrap heap with shattered confidence and a red line through his name. The problem is he was picked on a hunch and it has backfired on the selectors.

We don't have a never ending supply of World Class batsmen, we may need to nurture a couple every now and then.

Fox are reporting that Cartwright may get the nod ahead Maddinson. Cartwright is talented but it is far too easy to get a baggy green these days.
 

Barkley

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No he is averaging 36 in Shield cricket with a few 50's this season.

It would be nice if we could select guys with a couple of solid seasons under their belt but we don't seem to have that luxury anymore.
 

Twizzle

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Kurt Patterson was averaging 53+ prior to the Pakis getting here which is why he was touted as a possible replacement and I still think he is a better all round player than Maddinson who I believe will be found out at about 5th stump at international level. His strength is on the on side and he is not very strong outside off
 

steggz

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So you'd rather waste a spot on a guy that's less likely to take wickets just for some ridiculous notion of variety? Lol, you could have got a job as an Aussie selector.

If there isnt a spinner who is up to it, there's no point picking one. Simple as that
1. As someone with experience captaining sides, variety in your attack is vital.
2. We have a spinner who's up to it, but 1) is down on cofidence (partly due to public comments from captain and coach) and 2) seems to keep getting told to do what he's not doing. When he attacks, he leaks too many runs. When he bowls defensively, he's not trying to get wickets enough. Add to that the Australian cricketing public rarely seem to know what to do with offies.
 

Bazal

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1. As someone with experience captaining sides, variety in your attack is vital.
2. We have a spinner who's up to it, but 1) is down on cofidence (partly due to public comments from captain and coach) and 2) seems to keep getting told to do what he's not doing. When he attacks, he leaks too many runs. When he bowls defensively, he's not trying to get wickets enough. Add to that the Australian cricketing public rarely seem to know what to do with offies.

I have experience captaining sides as well mate. I would take the four best bowlers, it wouldn't bother me if I didn't have a front-line spinner if there wasn't one good enough. Variety is severely overrated if the quality is good.

I'd play Lyon or another spinner in Sydney and Adelaide because the conditions suit. He wouldn't be an automatic pick otherwise, he's just not good enough to be an automatic selection variety or no
 

TheParraboy

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1. As someone with experience captaining sides, variety in your attack is vital.
2. We have a spinner who's up to it, but 1) is down on cofidence (partly due to public comments from captain and coach) and 2) seems to keep getting told to do what he's not doing. When he attacks, he leaks too many runs. When he bowls defensively, he's not trying to get wickets enough. Add to that the Australian cricketing public rarely seem to know what to do with offies.

So you agree, he cant take wickets when attacking?
 
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