Tony Abbott - Climate change is happening, but it is good that it is happening!

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  1. Game_Breaker

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    He said gradual lift in global temperatures (i.e. Climate Change) is a good thing

    So he said 2 things
    A) climate change is real
    B) climate change is good

    What part do you agree with?
     
  2. AJB1102

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    To loosely quote George Carlin: the planet is fine, its us who'll be f**ked.

    Earth has been around for 4.6 billion years and gone through way more than a couple hundred thousand years of our shit. It'll shake us off like a case of fleas, clean itself up and continue on doing its thing for a few more billion years after we're gone.
     
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  3. Canard

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    Abbot, has ascertained that rising sea levels aren't a thing because he has looked at some old photos at the surf club and couldn't see any evidence of it occurring.

    That's science folks.
     
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    Phanerozoic_CO2.gif

    CO2 appears very low by the planets historical standards
     
  5. Bandwagon

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    I take it you didn't source that graph from here..................
     
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    Which of his claims do you refute bandy?
     
  9. Jimbo

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    Can you please source that unsubstantiated claim for bandy?

    Thanks in advance
     
  10. I Bleed Maroon

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    If it's any consolation to Abbott's fanclub, I hope he keeps saying stupid shit. It suits me down to the ground. If there's any single dumbass that can bury the far right in Australia, it's Tony Abbott.
     
  11. Canard

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    More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen despite frequent reports from climate alarmists that this is imminent.

    This is why the deadshit is no longer PM, he comes across as mentally defective.
     
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    he has called terminally ill people dying from exposures in their workplace "not of pure heart" because they want compensation before they die.... he has used his position as Health Minister to overrule expert medical advice to ban the release of contraceptive medicine.... he was the architect of work choices.... he introduced dukes and dames so he could knight the Duke of Edinburgh..... and you say he "comes across as mentally defective"..!!!! that's like saying the ocean is "big water".........
     
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    100 years of photographic evidence, what a crock, he could at least have a computer model.
     
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    Another way of looking at what is going
    on is the tide gauge. Tide gauging is very
    complicated, because it gives different an-
    swers for wherever you are in the world. But
    we have to rely on geology when we inter-
    pret it. So, for example, those people in the
    IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
    Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six
    tide gauges, and they choose the record of
    one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea
    level. Every geologist knows that that is a
    subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sedi-
    ment; it isthe only record which you shouldn’t
    use. And if that figure is correct, then Holland
    would not be subsiding, it would be uplifting.
    And that is just ridiculous. Not even igno-
    rance could be responsible for a thing like that. So tide gaug-
    es, you have to treat very, very carefully.
    Now, back to satellite altimetry, which showsthe water, not
    just the coasts, but in the whole of the ocean. And you measure
    it by satellite. From 1992 to 2002, [the graph of the sea level]
    was a straight line, variability along a straight line, but absolute-
    ly no trend whatsoever. We could see those spikes: a very rapid
    rise, but then in half a year, they fall back again. But absolutely
    no trend, and to have a sea-level rise, you need a trend.
    Then, in 2003, the same data set, which in their [IPCC’s]
    publications, in their website, was a straight line—suddenly it
    changed, and showed a very strong line of uplift, 2.3 mm per
    year, the same as from the tide gauge. And that didn’t look so
    nice. It looked as though they had recorded something; but
    they hadn’t recorded anything. It was the original one which
    they had suddenly twisted up, because they entered a “correc-
    tion factor,” which they took from the tide gauge. So it was
    not a measured thing, but a figure introduced from outside. I
    accused them of this at the Academy of Sciences in Mos-
    cow—Isaid you have introduced factorsfrom outside; it’s not
    a measurement. It looks like it is measured from the satellite,
    but you don’t say what really happened. And they answered,
    that we had to do it, because otherwise we would not have got-
    ten any trend!
    That is terrible! As a matter of fact, it is a falsification
    of the data set. Why? Because they know the answer. And
    there you come to the point: They “know” the answer; the
    rest of us, we are searching for the answer. Because we are
    field geologists; they are computer scientists. So all this
    talk that sea level is rising, this stems from the computer
    modeling, not from observations. The observations don’t
    find it!
    I have been the expert reviewer for the IPCC, both in 2000
    and last year. The first time I read it, I was exceptionally sur-
    prised. First of all, it had 22 authors, but none of them—
    none—were sea-level specialists. They were given this mis-
    sion, because they promised to answer the right thing. Again,
    it was a computerissue.Thisisthe typical thing:The metereo-
    logical community works with computers, simple computers.
    Geologists don’t do that! We go out in the field and observe,
    and then we can try to make a model with computerization;
    but it’s not the first thing.



    http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
     
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    A lot of tinfoil hat in that.
     
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    In the short term, “we have to get mothballed or under-utilised gas back into the system”.

    In the medium term, there must be no subsidies for renewables, and a freeze on the present RET; the government must build a coal-fired power station; the gas bans must go. Also “the ban on nuclear power must go too”.

    http://theconversation.com/governme...wraps-while-abbott-shouts-his-from-afar-85496

    So given uncle tone stated the federal govt should pay for and run a coal fired power station if business won't I bought you righties would be all over it

    I recall all of your objections to the govt building the NBN eg if it was needed private enterprise would build it, wasting money on old tech that will be obsolete before it's finished etc

    Suddenly you are all turned around on govt intervention in the free market.

    As for overturning the bans on fracking get the f**k out

    We have more than enough gas and quite frankly nobody wants it

    Nuclear is the way to go in my opinion however like fracking good luck getting it done without huge protests and a mass loss of seats at the next election

    Suddenly uncle tone is pushing for policies he never endorsed when he was in power and runs contrary to his own parties policy

    Finally how many subsidies do coal companies receive ? He seems weirdly attached to coal
     
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    The one where he claimed he wasn't the leader of the lizard people James. It's the true reason he thinks global warming is good, reptiles are cold blooded you see.
     
  18. Jimbo

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    You should provide a source for that unsubstantiated claim bandy

    Otherwise you might upset bandy
     
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    Damning allegations of being a transforming humanoid lizard have chased world leaders for decades. None more so than Australian prime minister Tony Abbott.




    The internet has also had its fun fanning the flames of the "Tony Abbott lizard narrative". There's been subtle lizard gifs and keen-eyed people mesmerised by his wandering tongue.
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    But now we finally know, the internet is not alone. Australians also think Tony Abbott is *maybe* a lizard.
    At the very least, "lizard" is the word they have come to associate with the prime minister.



    Fairfax Media has commissioned a political market researcher to ask punters for the two words that describe Australia's top two political leaders. "Lizard" came in [email protected][email protected]#[email protected]#[email protected]@
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    It's not good news because other words associated with our *allegedly* reptilian overlord include, "unimpressive and blokey", "dull and puppet" and "20th century mentality.

    For good measure, Labor leader Bill Shorten was described as, "unknown and uncharacteristic", "tacky and fake" and "dull".


    The market research will only fuel the internet's insatiable appetite for the Abbott-lizard conspiracy.
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    https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/amphibious-abbott?utm_term=.abYLM4gvjD#.avKaXjY7Qx
     

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