uncompetitive australia

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  1. butchmcdick

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    Neither do you

    You piss and moan about IR in this country yet can't name a single nation that does it better

    You won't say workers should accept less cash for doing the job they already do so yet that's what you mean by uncompetitive
     
  2. butchmcdick

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    You made the statement

    Time to back it up
     
  3. SBD82

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    I'd say that those are also examples of static factors.

    So I guess that it's a question of how you address this environment. Australia has solid infrastructure and relative peace, and an opportunity for high levels of education for the populace. As our competitive advantage of stability is eroded and cost factors such as geographic distance remain, I think it's unlikely that Australia will maintain any sort of mass production export industry. If we are good enough, we will be able to take advantage of education opportunities and transition to an economy based on research and innovation, where what we produce is intellectual property and advancement. Time will tell I guess.
     
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    Yes B ..align yourself with this little man...that will end well every time.
     
  6. Bandwagon

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    You make some good points here, I do believe though we still hold advantage in many of these areas, key question for mine is can we continue to manage to successfully leverage these, or do we simply give up and race to the bottom.
     
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    Yeah nah
     
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    Yeah yeah

    Lolz
     
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    Yeah woah duude

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  11. millersnose

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    There does come a time when your costs are too high to sustain manufacturing

    In Australia there was a comparative advantage in power prices that doesn't exist anymore and from what I have read they had process workers at this plant pulling more than 100k

    It seems to me something has gotta give
     
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    Process workers top out just over 80k, shift leaders top out at just over 100k.

    That's doing 12 hour split shifts, it's not bad money, but allow for penalty rates, shift loadings etc. It's not a golden ticket either.
     
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    They could be creating their own downfall
     
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    No doubt, though I still don't see it so one sided. In the end the company will decide what they think is best for the company.

    From all reports it would appear the company is profitable, so I don't see that a decision to move offshore in order to make it more profitable should be laid solely at the feet of the people upon who's labour they profit.
     
  15. B-dos

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    indeed

    and a very possible (perhaps likely ) outcome is no more jobs for australian factory workers for unilever

    come on mate. you are in business. just being 'profitable' is meaningless. they could be making $1 or $10m and both are profitable

    its about the return. if they can generate greater returns elsewhere, they need a pretty bloody compelling reason to stay in australia.

    if wages and silly conditions are the straw that broke the camels back, then it really is up to the other side of the negotiation table (unions and workers) to determine whether they want jobs with unilever, or they decide they can get a better job elsewhere. who elses decision is it?
     
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    Overall they are profitable, we don't know specifics about Australia so we can't assume.
     
  17. butchmcdick

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    How low should the unions and workers go ?

    Once again if you expect workers to compete on wages with overseas unregulated markets I think you are dreaming

    How much profit does the business currently make in Australia ?
     
  18. B-dos

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    if i were a worker id be aiming to get as much as i can to ensure i still have a job. or if i could get more elsewhere, id leave

    see above

    their other option is to be unemployed or try to find work in another industry that doesnt compete with foreign labour markets

    no idea
     
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    So pretty much take it or leave it merkins ?
     
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    unilever being a large multinational probably isn't too interested in building long term capacity and profitablility
    They most likely compete each division off against each other and some accountant type in London or Amsterdam signs off some funding to close down a division based on the past 3 month earnings
     

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