uncompetitive australia

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  1. B-dos

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    na just pretty much what i said butch

    but youre not far off

    i really dont know what you think should or could happen here. if the workers do not agree to the wages being offered they have a choice to go get a job elsewhere. if unilever cannot find workers who will work for what they are offering, they can either up their offer or close down the factory
     
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    Except for that pesky award
     
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    the award wage is obviously as low as they can go here in australia butch
     
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    And who negotiated this excessive award wage ?
     
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    what are you on about butch? im not sure you understand what this whole thing is about lol

    no one is proposing a reduction to the award. and no one is proposing paying less than the award

    dear oh deary me
     
  6. bazza

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    What are you proposing for this case B-dos?
     
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    what do you mean what am i proposing?

    in my view this is what will and can happen

    if i were a worker id be aiming to get as much as i can to ensure i still have a job. or if i could get more elsewhere, id leave.

    if the workers do not agree to the wages being offered they have a choice to go get a job elsewhere. if unilever cannot find workers who will work for what they are offering, they can either up their offer or close down the factory
     
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    Thanks B-dos
    That sounds like you are happy with the current system
     
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    well id prefer more flexibility baz

    but im explaining what the options are under the current rigid IR system we have to work within

    cheers
     
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    How would 'more flexibility' help in this case B-dos?
     
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    Most assets in the means test aren't income producing assets. It's not worth selling or not possible to sell immediately to fund short term cash flow issues. Perhaps a short term loan from centrelink is better for asset rich, cash flow poor, between jobs.
     
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    workers could determine whats good for them rather than being being hamstrung by unions and rigid awards and EBAs

    ridiculous restrictions on what workers can and cant do could be tossed out pretty quickly without wasting time and money negotiating with unions
     
  13. bazza

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    Workers can do that now B-dos
     
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    If it is a high quality asset a bank could give you a short term loan
     
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    I would prefer that option than being seen at centrelink.

    Interest rate would not be good if you don't have cash flow from employment, but certainly possible for short term... then again, who can guarantee timeframe for securing employment? Govt loan, similar to HELP, but with repayment taken from next employer through payroll could be explored.
     
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    i dont think its such a bad outcome to place some onus of responsibility on people to plan for the unexpected

    welfare is a safety net as a last resort. not just a big bank that people can access if they stop getting paid a wage for a short amount of time
     
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    That is probably why centerlink won't give you money if you have a lot of assets

    You could always sell your asset if you don't like the interest rate - it is the risk you take on how valuable you are.
    I do like you idea for this and plenty of other current handouts e.g. AIS and 'drought' assistance
     
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    So Dos we've established the age pension is the biggest drain on the treasury

    Are you advocating kicking the non productive oldies off the pension as welfare isn't a big bank people can access if they stop getting paid a wage
     
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    What nation do you think does this well ?
     
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    lol. one of your worst attempts at picking a fight ever butch

    refer to my 1000th response to this question earlier in the thread. you have a pretty short memory dont you mate?
     

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