US Presidential election 2016, pt 2. The quadrennial comedy show.

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  1. Danish

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    Yes, and hat cash is now being splashed all over the Middle East funding terrorist groups. What a great move that was.

    I’m sure the US are planning on negotiating a new strategy to nullify Iran. I doubt it will include anywhere near the freedoms e.g. being free to continue ICBM development and funding Iran gets out of the current deal
     
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    I'm sure they will just willingly downgrade their rights in the next deal, without anything in return.

    What exactly are the US planning on proposing? They are currently in a worse position than they were, did they get the money back already?

    There is a good reason why previous admin members opposed removing this agreement and it has been almost universally condemned by the international community. You're worried about nukes in 2025... Now you need to worry about them in 6 months.
     
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    Of course they won’t willingly do it. They’ll be forced to make concessions. That’s what happens in a negotiation.

    I actually agree the US are in a worse negotiating position now than they were in 2015. The ridiculous concessions and allowances of the original deal has made sure of that. Their position was only going to keep getting worse if Obama’s trainwreck of a deal was allowed to continue.

    Pulling out, imposing heavy sanctions, and then striking a new deal was the only way forward. I don’t particularly have a lot of faith that Trump or his team have the ability to pull it off, but we’ll see
     
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    Pretty much what Danish said, it was a garbage deal.

    On the three citizens, I'm giving the orange turd credit because he is proving himself useful. Also, if you look at the Otto Warmbier debacle, this is a much better outcome.

    Trump is bringing peace in Korea.
     
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    We'll see indeed. Security experts around the world tend to disagree with your view.

    It'll end up being no deal in place, their economy destroyed and increased volatility in the region. The only real winners at this point are Israel.
     
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    Token bargaining chips. Meaningless pawns for North Korea to give the illusion of diplomacy at this point.
     
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    lol

    C'mon my dude, both heads of state met and crossed the dmz, this is progress.
     
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    Nth Korea issue makes progress and somehow it is still a Booooo Trump.
     
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    And Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, etc.

    The security experts against ending the deal tend to be the ones safely outside of Iran’s current military range
     
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    North Korea also said it wasn't because of Trump. It's progress, but it's a very long way away from peace or an agreement considering the parties at play here.

    When not a single person can actually explain or understand why North Korea are actually at the table right now. Skepticism is a reasonable approach.
     
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    You could just accept the fact that north korea is talking to south korea.

    Seeing the positive is an option.
     
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    Iran can hit most places in Europe, Asia and the north east quarter of Africa. You're understating their threat level. Israel and Egypt are obviously happy about this because they are vying to be the dominant forces in the region.
     
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    It is a positive.

    Attributing it to Trump is the bemusing bit. I guess trashing people on twitter is the best way to make friends.
     
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    lol
    The countries most concerned are the economic rivals of a potentially prosperous Iran

    In fact they’re so concerned about a deal that stops Iran aquiring nukes now, they want to rip the deal and therefore enables Iran to develop the nukes now
     
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    It sounds like you’re describing the Saudis
     
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    Not really bemusing. Pretty standard for this level of diplomacy to refer to things this way - ie the US president at the time.

    You could guess that twiiter is irrelevant. You can draw whatever conclusions you like.

    Doesn't really matter.

    The news from both Koreas has been positive. This is the first time this has been the case in over 50 years.

    Yet people are still whinging over details.
     
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    That's a massive ignoring of the agreed framework in 1994 which was far more developed than the current deal. Or the opening of the Kaesong Industrial plant in 2003, which ran for like ten years.

    Getting prisoners out isn't exactly a one time thing. Even Obama managed it once.

    The details haven't been sorted out yet. Considering the false dawns in the past I don't know why we should be happy with anything. The proof is in the pudding and that shit isn't cooked yet.
     
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    These nations aren't engaged in proxy wars across the Middle East with Iran at all. Jeez I wonder why they are interested in this seeing as they have had their arses handed to them in Syria, Lost Qatar and are in the process of losing control of the situation in Yemen.

    Egypt of course is a Junta which toppled the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood who were supertight with the Iranian regime. So it's not exactly a wonder that they are keen to cripple a regime that backs the unfortunately popular underground opposition.

    If they gave a shit about nukes they would have kept the deal. They're more interested in breaking Iran so they can win control of the region, and in the case of Saudi Arabia, spread their toxic sect. In the case of Egypt the military has nightmares about the Brotherhood toppling them.
     
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    Whatever Trump does @Danish backs 110%
     

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