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USA Bid for 2021 World Cup

morningstar

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This has come out of left field...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/s...owth-with-a-global-event-on-us-soil.html?_r=0

Plan Seeks to Aid Rugby’s Growth With a Global Event on U.S. Soil

When an Australian sports promoter named Jason Moore gazes across the vast and increasingly varied American sports landscape, he sees room to grow for yet another international sport: rugby league.


With tens of thousands of rugby players already active in youth and amateur leagues across the country, the United States has the potential to produce tens of thousands more — not to mention prospective ticket buyers and television viewers.


Rugby is the fastest-growing team sport in the United States, according to the Sports & Fitness Industry Association, a national trade group. According to figures supplied by U.S.A. Rugby — the national governing body for rugby union, rugby league’s cousin — the number of youth participants doubled between 2010 and 2015.


There is also talent already available from another sport: About half of the United States team for this year’s Olympics once played football.


“The commercial power of the U.S. market is very attractive,” Moore said in a telephone interview Monday. “We’re going to a different well of water.”

Moore’s company, Moore Sports International, planned to submit a bid on Tuesday for the United States to host the Rugby League World Cup for the first time, in 2021. That international tournament is held once every four years, and 2021 will represent the sport’s 16th World Cup; Australia has won the event 10 times.


Moore has some experience with transplanting international sports. Two years ago, his company helped Major League Baseball present a two-game regular-season series between the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Arizona Diamondbacks on a diamond cut into the venerable Sydney Cricket Ground in Australia. The two games drew more than 76,000 fans combined.


Rugby league uses 13 players and is considered to be less stodgy and more wide-open than its 15-player relative, rugby union. (Rugby will be contested at the Rio Olympics for the first time since 1924 and will use a speedier, seven-player format.)


The Rugby League World Cup is a six-week tournament played in cities across the host region. Under the plan from Moore’s company, the men’s games would be played in eight to 10 N.F.L. or Major League Soccer stadiums in the fall of 2021. There would also be an eight-team women’s tournament.

Similar to American football, rugby league includes big hits, intricate strategy and a lot of kicking and running, but without as many head-to-head hits, which can lead to concussions because the players do not wear helmets.

Moore called rugby league “an outstanding product for television” that he said American fans would enjoy because of its similarities to football — another “gladiatorial” sport, as he called it. Tries and conversions in rugby are akin to touchdowns and extra points in football.

“Think of the N.F.L. with no pads, lateral passing and six downs,” Moore said. “We see rugby league, in this country, appealing to fans of the N.F.L. and college football who are hungry for contact and physicality in sports.”

The Rugby League International Federation will determine which country wins the bid for the 2021 World Cup. If in November the United States is awarded the tournament, it will be the first time the event has been scheduled outside Europe or Oceania. The 2017 World Cup will be played in Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea.

The American team, nicknamed the Hawks, qualified for the Rugby League World Cup for the first time in 2013, advancing to the quarterfinals in the 14-team field before losing to Australia, 62-0. Australia beat New Zealand for the World Cup title before a capacity crowd of 74,000 at Old Trafford in England, the home of the Manchester United soccer team.

There have been notable crossover players. After playing in the National Rugby League in Australia, Jarryd Hayne played in eight games for the San Francisco 49ers last season, rushing for 52 yards and catching six passes.

Hayne also returned eight punts for 76 yards, including a 37-yarder, but he announced his retirement after the season to pursue a spot with the rugby team that will represent Fiji at the Summer Olympics.

Because the R.L.I.F. announces the host of the World Cup four years before the tournament is held, Moore sees a long “runway” to fostering even more interest in the sport in the United States.

The United States currently has two low-profile leagues, the 14-team U.S.A. Rugby League, which has concluded its regular season and begins its playoffs this week, and the five-team Professional Rugby Organization, for rugby union players, which debuted this year. Moore said he would also like to launch what he called “an elite standard competition,” or a top-flight league.

But he also envisions thousands of rugby league fans from other countries descending on the United States to watch games, helping tourism in the process. “And you’re not likely going to places where there’s nothing else to do,” he said.
 

spinnerhowland

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Fingers crossed this is the "Rugby League Concept" for the USA that comes to fruition. We had Superleague, then US-RL, then NRL US, then Grand Prix Rugby, and none of them got very far.
Maybe this is the one that goes.
 
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jim_57

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Ok.

So how do they gently say no to this bloke, but keep him interested in promoting and growing the game?

Intercontinental Cup 2019 or 2023 with USA as auto qualifier?.. and an RLIF World 9's?

Great to see this type of interest in the World Cup. We will have to branch out from Australia & England eventually, I would prefer the Intercontinental Cup be used to "test the waters" so to speak before a full World Cup goes elsewhere.
 

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I would love to see the USA host the World Cup.I just hope they are ready to host such a huge event.They have the population so let's give them a go I say..It would do wonders for the game in North America.
 

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Intercontinental Cup 2019 or 2023 with USA as auto qualifier?.. and an RLIF World 9's?

Great to see this type of interest in the World Cup. We will have to branch out from Australia & England eventually, I would prefer the Intercontinental Cup be used to "test the waters" so to speak before a full World Cup goes elsewhere.

Counterpoint, an event branded World Cup is likely to draw more interest than any other.

As has been said on here countless times, even France is a tough sell. The potential for growth is massive but the potential for embarrassment is too. And considering we're taking the small stadiums attitude even in Australia, it's hard to see it happening.

Can a business case be made for a profitable World Cup outside of Aus-NZ or the UK?
Aus TV value is much lower with a northern hemisphere Cup.
Government support will be much harder to come by from US states or the French.
And crowds will be lower, even if all the wishful thinking in the world comes true.
So who's bankrolling it?

I'd like to see France host the first Intercontinental Cup in 2019. At least they have some Rugby culture and pro RL teams + Elite comps in the south.
Develop an International 9s event and take the first one to Toronto and the US North-East.
Depending on the results of these experiments consider the case for one of them hosting 2025.
 

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RL is risk averse, it has no hope of getting up. Ideally they would work with the guy to develop RL's profile over the next decade with a plan for a 2025 RLWC but that has as much chance as fans being happy with the ref's.

I did smile at this bit of the news report though :)

Rugby league uses 13 players and is considered to be less stodgy and more wide-open than its 15-player relative, rugby union.

Id like to see a France/Spain/England venue tournament in 2021 (even a group hosted in Canada depending on how the new club goes and if it develops interest in the game)
 

PaulyTom

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I would say start with a 9's world cup tournament as a starting point . Either on the east coast where there is some Rugby league activity or use L.A or San Fran.

Maybe part of the new Los Angeles stadium that is being built near downtown.

Los Angeles is very accessible with 6 daily non stop departures on Qantas, Virgin , Delta , United and American from Sydney alone. Plus all the other carriers that go via somewhere to get there. Guaranteed to get a big Aussie contingent over there.

Thoughts?
 

adamkungl

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East coast over West to reward actual RL development.

Nines WC idea:
TORONTO Day 1 - Saturday Week 1
PITTSBURGH Day 2 - Sunday Week 1
2 x 16 team 4x4 Pool Format
Top 2 in each pool advance to Finals.

JACKSONVILLE Day 3 Finals - Sunday Week 2
16 team Knockout Format
15 games
 

spinnerhowland

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Want it to happen, lots of competition in the time frame, but at some stage, somehow, someone, needs to take a risk on RL to allow it to grow Globally. Not just in the USA, but in other development nations
 
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adamkungl

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Good points.
So the ideal time for a RL event in the US is Feb-April.

Delaying the NRL and SL presents another problem. Would have to get past even more self-interest than usual
 

adamkungl

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Hows about a December World Cup?
Still mid NFL season. I agree it would be a tough sell.

What this ties into though is the need for a shorter club season. Currently we don't even have the option to play a US world cup (at an ideal time) due to the long SL and NRL seasons.
 

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I also don't like the fact its an Aussie promoter. Where are the big American promoters?

Added, the England govt has offered 15 million pounds + another 10 for facilities I believe for RLWC21. So this US bid needs to guarantee upfront more money than this just to be in with a chance.

I'd like to see Canada host their pool if it ever eventuated.
 

PaulyTom

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Target the pro bowl weekend in the nfl schedule. Play it in the warmer Winter state of California where the temperature are still in the 20s.

Or do it in Feb when the NFL is over. Its b4 the massive March madness of college basketball and mlb has not started yet.
 

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Target the pro bowl weekend in the nfl schedule. Play it in the warmer Winter state of California where the temperature are still in the 20s.

Or do it in Feb when the NFL is over. Its b4 the massive March madness of college basketball and mlb has not started yet.

If a tournament is going to be successful in the US for a sport that the majority of Americans don't know about it needs to have games in the East Coast. Theres a reason we have an East Coast bias, its where over 1/3 of the population lives and location of the major media corporations. Without NYC, Boston, Philly, and DC, you're not going to have a successful tournament. Throw in the Midwest (Chicago, Kansas City and St Louis) with with 65 million people, thats a sizeable population that would have much need to pay attention if their involved. And the only realistic time of year for them to host games are in late spring early summer, no fall football and no winter blizzards.
 
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