Warne v Waugh

[Tommy Smith]

AB and Kohli are phenomenal as was Dean Jones, but Viv was insane

He ended averaging 47 with a strike rate of 90, other worldly in that era and I imagine both dropped as he faded with age

I definitely agree. He transcended his era so completely; which no other ODI cricketer has done to my knowledge.

When he started playing ODIs they wore white clothing lol He had no right to be so ahead of his time by such a huge margin.

 

[JJ]

What's the easiest way to get yourself off side with the Australian cricketing public? Dip in to Tugger.

Warne is not exempt from that, no matter how good he was. Someone in the commentary booth needs to put the plastic f**kwit in his place.

Not sure Warne gives a shit, he loves himself and is surrounded by sycophants, he has his mobile phone, channel 9 and tinder.

Someone needs to call him out but as we saw with his charity he'll bare faced lie to anyone, the truth is something he's unfamiliar with and the guys in the box with him are either gutless, under instructions, or both

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The channel nine commentary box is exactly the same as what has always happened in the Australian side. These blokes are team mates, most of them wouldn't hang out with each other if cricket wasn't the common denominator. Jealousy, egos, playing favourites and holding grudges is all part of the side's culture and has been since day dot.

Warnes sly jabs at waugh say more about his petty character than waughs. Likewise waugh not answering the fool back shows his character.

 

[undertaker]

Warney trying to turn back time again:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...y/news-story/e74fe9fdb67d836b6c6d13b69931d0d0

 

[JJ]

Localised spike in tinder use??#swipinglikecrazy #keepingitclassy #whiteballspecialist #backward selection

 

[undertaker]

I see on facebook that Warne is blowing his trumpet of how good he was compared to other spinners' record in Australia:


Funnily enough, he puts Nathan Lyon there, yet leaves out Stuart MacGill:

MacGill: 135 wickets from 27 tests in Australia @ 27.7

Also, in the 16 test matches where Warne and MacGill played together during their careers:

Warne: 74 wickets @ 29.57
MacGill: 82 wickets @ 22.11

MacGill outperformed Warne (i.e. had better match bowling figures) in 11 of those 16 tests. 156 wickets between the two spinners from those 16 tests, that is nearly 10 wickets per test on average. A huge shame the Aussie selectors didn't pick both of them more, but were fixated on the 3 fast bowlers/1 spin bowler line-up, let alone Warne was more marketable and able to attract sponsors compared to MacGill.

 

[Red Bear]

Warne was a much better bowler than McGill. Also there wasnt a decent all rounder who couldve allowed both to play consistently

 

[Timbo]

No room for MacGill on that list I see from the spastic plastic.

What an amazing shock. Cherry picking stats to make him look good.

 

[JJ]

Be proud Australia

 

[TheParraboy]

Warne forgot Nathan Hauritz as well (who Lyon eventually replaced)

in Australia
9 tests Ave 29.65

I think we dropped Hauritz for Beer/ Doherty in that ill fated home ashes series. Master selections they were

 

[TheParraboy]

Warne was a much better bowler than McGill. Also there wasnt a decent all rounder who couldve allowed both to play consistently

I wouldn't say he was a much better bowler, maybe just slightly better. But his batting (and slip fielding) made him an overall far better cricketer

 

[Tommy Smith]

Nah he was a class or two above MacGill.

Leg spin is the hardest artform in cricket and perhaps what made Warne the most special was his phenomenal control.

MacGill generally offered up a '4 ball' to be smacked every second over where as Warne was super consistent which piled up the pressure.

His econ was 2.65rpo compared to MacGill at 3.22rpo.

MacGill was a great bowler in his own right though. If only he was 10-15 years younger he would have played 120 tests and taken over 500 wickets.

 

[hineyrulz]

MacGilla was very very good but he wasn't in the same class as Warnie, a much better bloke though.

Yes hardly a wrap i know.

 

[undertaker]

Although he bowled a mix of both off-spin and medium pace (off spin moreso), I'll add this in:

Colin Miller: 29 wickets from 6 tests in Australia @ 20.8 average.

And whilst he was in his mid-30's as well.

 

[undertaker]

MacGilla was very very good but he wasn't in the same class as Warnie

Nah he was a class or two above MacGill.

Leg spin is the hardest artform in cricket and perhaps what made Warne the most special was his phenomenal control.

MacGill generally offered up a '4 ball' to be smacked every second over where as Warne was super consistent which piled up the pressure.

His econ was 2.65rpo compared to MacGill at 3.22rpo.

MacGill was a great bowler in his own right though. If only he was 10-15 years younger he would have played 120 tests and taken over 500 wickets.

MacGill didn't have the control and variation of Warne, but - alongside Mushtaq Ahmed - had the most lethal wrong-un/googly in international cricket.

A shame his career overlapped with Warne's. Had MacGill been born at least 10 years earlier or later, would've easily been a 100+ test player. I add in 10 years earlier, as he would've been lethal on Aussie pitches in the '80s, especially the SCG when it started to become a rank-turner in the mid '80s. Would've been an extremely handy bowler to help Allan Border through the aftermath of the South African Rebel Tours, where the team went through a massive re-building phase.

By the time he was first choice spinner after Warne retired in 2007, MacGill's best years were well and truly behind him due to injuries in his knee and fingers, but during his early years in the Aussie side, he was easily in the top 3 spinners in the world (especially during the 98/99 Ashes). Would've come in very handy during the 2005 Ashes after McGrath got injured, whilst the Poms struggled against Warne.

As I mentioned in another post a little while back, the 1970s was the cursed decade for a potential Australian test cricketer to be born in, whose career directly coincided with the Taylor/S Waugh captaincy. So many players from that era that piled on thousands of runs or took plenty of wickets in Sheffield Shield but only got limited opportunities in the baggy green, or in the case of Gilchrist and Hussey, had to wait years to get their chance at the highest level.

 

[undertaker]

Of all the bowlers Warne has on that piece of paper, the most underrated is the one who happens to have the highest wickets per test match average, that being Mushtaq Ahmed (5.5 wickets/test).

I remember he got back-to-back 9-fers in Hobart and Sydney during the 1995 series, coincidentally my first summer following the Aussie side. Found some short highlights of the Hobart test:


Also, very surprised Kumble got 49 wickets in his 10 tests here. I distinctly remember his 12-fer in Steve Waugh's farewell test in 2004, but otherwise don't recall him being dominant in the 1999/00, 2003/04 and 2007/08 test series here

 

[WaznTheGreat]

And don't forget De Villers. His ODI record is almost identical to Kohli's; only he has a strike rate of 100.

Both extraordinary and the best of this run crazy batting era. Even Amla has an insane record.

Just on Watson, he's being sold really short here as an ODI player. He opened the batting 93 times for an avg. of 45 and a strike rate of 91.

Factor in his very handy bowling and you have Australia's best genuine ODI all-rounder ever by a long way.

People are just struggling to overlook the fact that he's Shane Watson when judging him purely as an ODI player.

Shane Watson was a brilliant ODI player and much better than Steve Waugh in that format,anyone who think's otherwise is a donkey,and it doesn't matter that they played in different era's either as Watson was up against the new ball against fresh bowlers with the white ball moving all over the place,Steve Waugh wasn't good enough to open the batting in ODI's in any era.

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[hineyrulz]

Of all the bowlers Warne has on that piece of paper, the most underrated is the one who happens to have the highest wickets per test match average, that being Mushtaq Ahmed (5.5 wickets/test).

I remember he got back-to-back 9-fers in Hobart and Sydney during the 1995 series, coincidentally my first summer following the Aussie side. Found some short highlights of the Hobart test:


Also, very surprised Kumble got 49 wickets in his 10 tests here. I distinctly remember his 12-fer in Steve Waugh's farewell test in 2004, but otherwise don't recall him being dominant in the 1999/00, 2003/04 and 2007/08 test series here

He had to bowl a lot of overs and went for a lot of runs to get those wickets, the great Murali would kill for that sort of record out here though

 

[hineyrulz]

Shane Watson was a brilliant ODI player and much better than Steve Waugh in that format,anyone who think's otherwise is a donkey,and it doesn't matter that they played in different era's either as Watson was up against the new ball against fresh bowlers with the white ball moving all over the place,Steve Waugh wasn't good enough to open the batting in ODI's in any era.

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[WaznTheGreat]

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