Warriors ISP CUP 2018

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  1. RHYTHM AND STEALTH

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    Meth

    Can we merg this thread with the other 2018 ISP thread, thanks mate
     
  2. Cold Roses

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    No sign of King Vuniyawa in the first ISP game as well. Injured maybe? It's a tricky one with Pat. If he is determined to go, then why bother developing him ahead of someone else. But then maybe he can be swayed to stay by getting first grade time.
     
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    King still 2 weeks away

    Pat wants out cos he never gets a look in. Always getting passed over in selections
     
  4. jaseg

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    Pat should've got a look-in earlier last season when he was the best option - but by the end he had been overtaken by Satae, who really turned it up in the second half of the year. Now Pat looks pretty certain to not get an opportunity here (I'd be shocked if he was in the 30 and thus even eligible), as Kearney has shown his colours RE real props - plus, Paasi & Satae were soaking up all the middle minutes in ISP last week I believe... if that continues he really won't have a chance.
     
  5. Cold Roses

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    Well based on the 39 man list that Rich linked to, it looks like Satae, Vuna, Vuniyawa, Love-Henry, Bell, Tevaga and Sipley are all in with a chance to play First Grade from the wider squad, behind the likely suspects. Obviously not all of them will get a shot.
     
  6. Cold Roses

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    Pretty sure Sipley was named to start, but got relegated to the bench in favour of Paasi. That would seem to support the theory that he is down the bottom of the pecking order.
     
  7. RHYTHM AND STEALTH

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    But hes so affective in the middle of the ruck. Kearney must notice that
     
  8. Cold Roses

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    https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/26...revent-robbie-farah-style-wests-tigers-exile/

    New
    NRL roster system will prevent Farah-style Tigers exile


    Coaches will no longer be able to exile big-name players in a bid to encourage them to leave under changes to the NRL roster system requiring each club to finalise a 29-man squad by March 1.

    The changes also make it more difficult for Todd Carney or Dave Taylor to return to the NRL this season, although clubs do not have to add the 30th and final player to their roster until June 30 and some plan to leave a spot for a mid-season signing.

    Robbie Farah is the most well-documented example in recent years of a star player on big money being unwanted by his coach and repeatedly overlooked for first-grade selection.

    Despite being the NSW State of Origin hooker in 2016, Farah played just six NRL matches for the Wests Tigers as Jason Taylor chose Dene Halatau, Matt Ballin, Elijah Taylor, Kyle Lovett, Manaia Cherrington and Jacob Liddle in the dummy-half role.

    Under the new system, which was agreed upon as part of the collective bargaining agreement with the RLPA, each club must select 29 players for their NRL squad by March 1 and 30 players by June 30, who are included in the $9.4 million salary cap.

    The increase in roster sizes, from 25 players in previous seasons, coincides with the abolition of the second-tier salary cap and means coaches cannot call on players outside their NRL squads without dispensation from the salary cap auditor.

    To receive approval to use a player from the NSW or Queensland state leagues, a club will need to convince the NRL salary cap auditor they do not have anyone available in their top squad capable of playing his position.

    This means few players would get a chance in first grade from outside an NRL squad
    , as Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs winger Marcelo Montoya – the club's leading tryscorer in 2017 – did in round three last season.

    Eventually, the roster restructure could lead to a genuine second-tier competition in NSW to mirror Queensland's Intrust Super Cup, in which all teams are run independently of NRL clubs.

    As a result, Carney has been signed by the Cairns-based Northern Pride and Taylor was recruited by the Central Queensland Capras to play in the Intrust Super Cup – not as a back-up for any NRL club.

    With NRL clubs not needing to finalise their 30-man squads until June 30, they would be able to negotiate a deal for Carney or Taylor before then if they believe they would boost their roster.

    Manly Warringah Sea Eagles officials say they will not need to seek an exemption and will meet Thursday's deadline to finalise their 29-man roster, despite the club's salary cap issues which prevented them from bidding for Trent Hodkinson earlier this month.

    The most significant difference to the new roster system is the increase in the size of each club's NRL squad, with the minimum wage for players 1-26 being $100,000 per year and players 27-30 guaranteed to earn 70,000 per year.

    The decision to increase NRL squads is aimed at providing stability for those five players who were previously on second-tier contracts as only three clubs – the Bulldogs, St George Illawarra Dragons and Canberra Raiders – used only 25 players last season.

    Gold Coast Titans used 34 players, while North Queensland Cowboys used 32, Melbourne Storm and Newcastle Knights used 31 and South Sydney Rabbitohs, Wests Tigers and New Zealand Warriors each used 30.

    According to NRL.com Stats, clubs had an average of 4.9 players unavailable for selection through injury each match, with the Cowboys averaging 7.19 unavailable players per game.

    Each club is also allowed three-to-six players on a development list, who can be paid up to $60,000 each but are not permitted to play in the Telstra Premiership without approval from the salary cap auditor.

    This is only likely to be granted if the club does not have any player in their 30-man NRL squad capable of playing a certain position and wants to use one of the rookies.

    Players on a development contract for two years are entitled to an annual 10 per cent salary cap discount for the duration of their careers provided they remain with that club.
     
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    For those like me, who are interested, I've posted the above article here not so much because of who is expected to play first grade this year, but because this makes it easier for us to predict who may actually be eligible from the ISP team, and how many spots are left open throughout the season. There is usually a fair bit of discussion every year about why doesn't (insert name here) get chosen to play first grade, and I think this clears things up a bit. Just as an example, Sam Cook has now played in the opening round, and logically, is therefore part of the 30 man Squad. Much like Erin Clark last year who played the first round and then was never sighted again, his selection, as a fringe first grader (imo) has limited selection options for later in the season. Clarke was a big mistake on Kearneys behalf last season to my way of thinking, but then Papali'i it could be argued has paid off.
     
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    Based on the List from the Website that Rich linked, here is a 40 man squad of which 30 must be our NRL Squad. The first group played in the opening round, so must be in the squad. The second group are very likely to play First Grade as well, and the last group are the players from where the remaining unknown 8 spots are filled.

    Definitely in the 30 Man NRL Squad


    Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 2022
    Tohu Harris 2021
    Leivaha Pulu 2020
    Blake Green 2020
    Adam Blair 2020
    Peta Hiku 2020
    Sam Lisone 2020
    Solomone Kata 2019
    Bunty Afoa 2019
    David Fusitua 2019
    Isaiah Papali'i 2019
    Shaun Johnson 2019
    James Gavet 2019
    Ligi Sao 2019
    Isaac Luke 2018
    Ken Maumalo 2018
    Sam Cook 2018


    Most likely in the NRL Squad

    Simon Mannering 2018
    Gerard Beale 2020
    Blake Ayshford 2019
    Albert Vete 2019
    Agnatius Paasi 2019


    Possibilities for the NRL Squad

    Anthony Gelling 2018
    Charnze Nicole-Klokstad 2019
    Mason Lino 2019
    Lewis Soosemea 2019
    Joe Vuna 2019
    Chris Satae 2019
    Hayze Perham 2019
    Matiu Love-Henry 2018
    Jazz Tevega 2018
    James Bell
    Junior Pauga 2018
    Zac Santo 2018
    Manaia Cherrington 2018
    Patrick Sipley 2018
    King Vuniyawa
    Chanel Harris-Tavita

    Unsure of Status

    Karl Lawton 2019
    Nathaniel Roache 2020
     
  11. RHYTHM AND STEALTH

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    Thanks cold roses
     
  12. Izz

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    Will be very interesting to see how tough/lenient and consistent/inconsistent the salary cap auditor is throughout the season...
     
  13. Cold Roses

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    https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2018/03/13/isp-and-jersey-flegg-teams-named-to-face-bulldogs/

    ISP and Jersey Flegg teams named to face Bulldogs

    Front rower Albert Vete, captain Mason Lino and loose forward Jazz Tevaga have been named to make their first Intrust Super Premiership appearances of the year when the Vodafone Warriors face Canterbury-Bankstown in Saturday’s second-round encounter at Mount Smart Stadium (2.45pm kick-off).

    Vete is back from serving a one-match suspension hanging over from last season while Lino has been included after travelling to Perth for the NRL team’s match against South Sydney. Lino has also been named once again on the NRL side’s extended bench this week.

    Likewise Tevaga, who was on the bench in Perth, is also in the extended NRL squad for this week’s contest.

    Also listed is prop Agnatius Paasi. Originally selected on the bench for the NRL side, Paasi stayed back in Auckland to make his return from a knee injury in the ISP side’s 30-22 win over North Sydney last Saturday. He impressed with 190 metres from 21 runs.

    Set for his second ISP appearance is 18-year-old fullback Hayze Perham who marked his debut with a player of the day display against the Bears. He made 159 metres from 17 runs and had two try assists, three line break assists, five off loads and 15 supports.

    The Bulldogs come to Auckland off a 10-32 loss to Western Suburbs last weekend.

    The Vodafone Junior Warriors welcome co-captain Tyler Slade, who missed the first-round 16-24 Jersey Flegg Cup loss to the Bears.

    The young Bulldogs started their season with a 30-10 win over Wests Tigers.


    INTRUST SUPER PREMIERSHIP

    VODAFONE WARRIORS v CANTERBURY-BANKSTOWN BULLDOGS

    Mount Smart Stadium, Auckland

    2.45pm, Saturday, March 17, 2018


    VODAFONE WARRIORS

    1 HAYZE PERHAM

    2 LEWIS SOOSEMEA

    3 JOSEPH VUNA

    4 COLE WAAKA

    5 CHARNZE NICOLL-KLOKSTAD

    6 CHANEL HARRIS-TAVITA

    7 MASON LINO (c)

    8 ALBERT VETE

    9 KARL LAWTON

    10 AGNATIUS PAASI

    11 MATIU LOVE-HENRY

    12 JAMES BELL (c)

    13 JAZZ TEVAGA

    Interchange:

    14 MANAIA CHERRINGTON

    15 CHRIS SATAE

    16 PATRICK SIPLEY

    17 SIONE AFEMUI

    18 ZAC SANTO

    COACH | JOHN TEINA
     
  14. Cold Roses

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    Paasi and Vete starting at Prop. Paasi made 190 metres from 21 runs last week.
     
  15. Fufu Andronez

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    We're paying $23 at the moment with sportsbet to win the nsw cup (longest odds by far of the comp)... Didn't we come second last year? And aren't we second right now?

    Take advantage guys, free money! (kind of)
     
  16. RHYTHM AND STEALTH

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    I thought last season we had a mega forward pack.

    This pack for this week must be a close 2nd
     
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    4 Players named in the ISP team of the week. Good first up performances from Paasi and Satae.

    https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2018/03/14/isp-team-of-the-week--rd-1/

    ISP TEAM OF THE WEEK | Rd 1

    Each week, the NSWRL.com.au staff writers will name their 17 best performers from the weekend's Intrust Super Premiership NSW. These selections, heavily based on statistical data, are the opinions of the writers and do not necessarily reflect the views of the NSWRL.

    1 – Hayze Perham
    Club: Warriors; 2018 TOTW selections: 0.

    17 runs, 159 total metres, two try-assists, three line-break-assists, one tackle-break, five offloads.

    5 – Lewis Soosemea
    Club: Warriors; 2018 TOTW selections: 0.

    Three tries, 12 runs, 140 total metres, three line-breaks, 10 tackle-breaks, one offload.

    8 – Agnatius Paasi
    Club: Warriors; 2018 TOTW selections: 0.

    21 runs, 190 total metres, three tackle-breaks, two offloads, 20 tackles.


    INTERCHANGE

    16 – Chris Satae
    Club: Warriors; 2018 TOTW selections: 0.

    15 runs, 185 total metres, four tackle-breaks, 28 tackles.
     
  18. Cold Roses

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    Couple more televised games coming up for those of us in Australia.

    Round 2 –
    • FOX LEAGUE – Warriors v Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, Mt Smart Stadium. (Saturday, 17 March, 12.45pm)
    Round 4 –
    • FOX LEAGUE – Wyong Roos v Warriors, Allianz Stadium. (Saturday, 31 March, 3.15pm)
     
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    Put a line through Lino. I have never ever seen such an awful performance in any grade than his performance today. You're drunk Mason.
     
  20. kiwileaguefan

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    What an absolute rubbish effort in today's game. No discipline, poor defence...really unimpressed with Lino and Cherrington...worse thing about this is that Bulldogs side are extremely poor.
     
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